Thread: Hybrid cars what to look for.

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Thanks guys its much as I thought we are a bit out of town so possibly not for us but thought it a discussion worth having.

Just stick to a cheap 2 litr or less basic petrol car Hj.
Low ownership n ks depending on yr budget.Petrol will be around for a few more decades.

Originally Posted by Happy Jack

Thanks guys its much as I thought we are a bit out of town so possibly not for us but thought it a discussion worth having.

It is and the reality is they will get better and cheaper.
Will have to figure out how to stop power companies charging a fortune.
But there are probably some on here who miss valve grinds, doing points ,cleaning sparkplugs and god forbid buy a Triumph PI with that new fangled petrol injection.

Originally Posted by Tahr

You gotta think in the terms of tomorrow, not today. The change in technology is swift and amazing.

Not really. EV builds are significantly worse for the environment than ICE builds. And an EV is no guarantee that it's running on clean energy, the source energy is just as likely to be coal as it is hydro. Now we are seeing more EVs out there the stats are coming in on battery life, weight resulting in shorter tyre life spans/more road wear/less energy efficiency. And of course soon you will be paying RUCs.

This summer will be interesting, if the forecast hot dry summer arrives and our hydro lakes don't have water - EV owners will be crying big time.

EV's are a smoke and mirrors game, shifting the pollution from the left hand to the right hand - hoping the audience doesn't notice. Our electrical generation hasn't grown to meet the population growth let alone the EV charging demand.

Renewable energy generation is crashing at the same time, it's inability to provide consistent supply doubled with EV charging demand is driving some countries to blackouts.

It will be an interesting summer.

Originally Posted by vulcannz

Not really. EV builds are significantly worse for the environment than ICE builds. And an EV is no guarantee that it's running on clean energy, the source energy is just as likely to be coal as it is hydro. Now we are seeing more EVs out there the stats are coming in on battery life, weight resulting in shorter tyre life spans/more road wear/less energy efficiency. And of course soon you will be paying RUCs.

This summer will be interesting, if the forecast hot dry summer arrives and our hydro lakes don't have water - EV owners will be crying big time.

EV's are a smoke and mirrors game, shifting the pollution from the left hand to the right hand - hoping the audience doesn't notice. Our electrical generation hasn't grown to meet the population growth let alone the EV charging demand.

Renewable energy generation is crashing at the same time, it's inability to provide consistent supply doubled with EV charging demand is driving some countries to blackouts.

It will be an interesting summer.

I don't know enough about EV's apart from them being ok to drive. My comments were directed to utes and was thinking new generations of hybrids.

Originally Posted by Maxx

Local Toyota agent saying that from ~ April 2024 they will only be supplying the recently announced mild hybrid HiLux .... no other options.

Lose a lot of business they will. Basically turning one of the last hard service work utes into a town car with a big boot. There are advantages that come from a full phev iteration of a ute but for a lot of people that's a handicap not a benefit and just something else to fix. Combined with the other hilux issues like the tiny cab and cruise liner forward vision over the rugby field Toyota is passing off as a bonnet means that there will be better options.

Originally Posted by mikee

And if you are a cyclist........................you should also be paying RUC's !!!

Every road user should pay RUC's then its genuinely user pays. The more you drive the more you pay. Of course the RUC's should be less as more people paying them AND then fuel should be cheaper as in petrol as RUC would take its place.
Rate should be the same regardless if EV, Hybrid or ICE for easy calculation/collection
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I think the cyclists should be paying for their emissions, hot air and vegan farts. And they are looking at taking tax off their fuel the buggers.

Originally Posted by dannyb

Not quite.....
Ev= subject to RUCS
PHEV= subject to RUCS
standard ICE/HYBRID = not subject to RUCS

Basically if you have to plug in to charge your battery, you pay RUCS, but it your PHEV then you can claim your fuel excise back, but still pay RUCS.
If your Hybrid can only charge it's batteries via the ICE charging system then you will not be subject to RUCS.

What a stupid system.
Clearly the solution is to make everyone pay RUCs regardless of what fuel you use, be it diesel, petrol, LPG or electricity.

I guess they don't want to take the tax of petrol as they'll loose the free money from boats, lawn mowers, offroad vehicles etc.

Originally Posted by mikee

And if you are a cyclist........................you should also be paying RUC's !!!

Every road user should pay RUC's then its genuinely user pays. The more you drive the more you pay. Of course the RUC's should be less as more people paying them AND then fuel should be cheaper as in petrol as RUC would take its place.
Rate should be the same regardless if EV, Hybrid or ICE for easy calculation/collection
Flame retardant suit engaged

Nah. Cyclists don't damage the road.

Petrol has RUC factored into the price at the pump.

Which is why farmers/foresters etc using petrol not on the road can claim the tax back (70 ish cents/litre)

The UK is heading towards RUC on all vehicles regardless of power source and yet currently they don't have any RUC, we will follow suit in due course as we do.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Nah. Cyclists don't damage the road.

Do when they land on it...

Originally Posted by Tahr

I don't know enough about EV's apart from them being ok to drive. My comments were directed to utes and was thinking new generations of hybrids.

That they are - in effect EV cars are just electric fork lifts and work platforms with some fancy packaging and a slick marketing campaign. And practically, nearly the same - you wouldn't expect to go to Auckland from Tauranga and back every day on a battery forklift but they are OK driving around the yard or warehouse.

My manual 2021 flat deck double cab diesel Hilux has just done 37020 Kms & is sitting on 8.4 litres per 100 kms for its entire life with an average speed of only 39 kph

I use 4wd when ever on a gravel road which is often

I haven't seen an auto one come even close to that economy for its life & average speed, not surprising given how much the converter slips ,

Mine is happy enough at 54kph in 5 gear, 65 in 6th

I am extremely reluctant to get an auto Hilux

How much more economic would a hybrid one be ?

I guess they would only be a mild hybrid as well ???? time will tell

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

How much more economic would a hybrid one be ?

I guess they would only be a mild hybrid as well ???? time will tell

Rumours are the mild hybrid Hilux will only drop consumption by 1L/100km so less than the difference tyres, bull bars, driving style, unnecessary load, etc make.

Looks like plug in hybrid Ranger due late 2024, early 2025. Sounds pretty good (3.5T towing, 45km EV for toodling around town, still can off road) except for the price (>$85k)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132...-plugin-ranger
Earlier version of article said price not released but is expected to be more than Wildtrack but less than Raptor. That comment has since been removed from the article.

Edit: here the version that mentions price https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/132...-to-nz-in-2025

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

My manual 2021 flat deck double cab diesel Hilux has just done 37020 Kms & is sitting on 8.4 litres per 100 kms for its entire life with an average speed of only 39 kph

I use 4wd when ever on a gravel road which is often

I haven't seen an auto one come even close to that economy for its life & average speed, not surprising given how much the converter slips ,

Mine is happy enough at 54kph in 5 gear, 65 in 6th

I am extremely reluctant to get an auto Hilux

How much more economic would a hybrid one be ?

I guess they would only be a mild hybrid as well ???? time will tell

I wouldn't be looking at selling that one any time soon!