Thread: Hybrid vs petrol - surprising outcome

Greetings all,
The hybrid vehicles are likely close to the end of their run. I had spotted that they don't save much in fuel. Plug in hybrid vehicles are a little better but you still have to maintain a petrol or diesel engine which rubs out most of the savings. Electric vehicles are the future but we are not there yet. They will take over once batteries get better and cheaper but I may not see it. In the mean time my little Jimny chugs along using way less petrol than many hybrids and only doing around 7,000 km pa I will likely wear out before it does. Downsizing your vehicle to what you actually need will save more fuel than a hybrid.
Regards Grandpamac.

Originally Posted by 2post

British Racing Green?

Started off at around 30 and at the end it was down to the low 20’s, price you pay for some grouse sounding exhaust tones. Not a lot of flogging involved.

They make it so we can burn it

Originally Posted by XR500

They make it so we can burn it

Exactly

Coming down 11.5 cents in Auckland on Monday

Hydrogen will be the way to go if they can iron out the kinks.
Way cleaner.
Not sure how you top up at home but perfect for the environment vs mining for the minerals to make batteries.
Need a shit ton of power to catalyse it i believe but that's another thing.
You could argue that if Tiwai point closed that wouldve been a perfect supply

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings all,
The hybrid vehicles are likely close to the end of their run. I had spotted that they don't save much in fuel. Plug in hybrid vehicles are a little better but you still have to maintain a petrol or diesel engine which rubs out most of the savings. Electric vehicles are the future but we are not there yet. They will take over once batteries get better and cheaper but I may not see it. In the mean time my little Jimny chugs along using way less petrol than many hybrids and only doing around 7,000 km pa I will likely wear out before it does. Downsizing your vehicle to what you actually need will save more fuel than a hybrid.
Regards Grandpamac.

I think Electric is part of the answer but not the answer. They have their uses and application where they are ideal, but they have shortcomings. The biggest of which is that iot would mean complete replacement of the entire motor vehicle fleet......A much better solution would be a fuel alternative that allows the current stock to be altered/ retrofitted / retuned . I saw a study a few years ago where a fellow in Canada was developing the technique to use electricity to split water and hydrogen, the combining it with Carbon from the atmosphere and making it into a hydrocarbon that could be used in an engine. He was having issues scaling it up past the stable chemical compound stage so years or even decades away from being viable as an alternative but it had significant advantages over electric vehicles.

1) the distribution network would be similar to fuel distribution so fuel companies would be able to stay in business and it would simply be a replacement product rather than see them buy it to protect their current investments...
2) It would be compatable with almost all of the current vehicle stock albeit wwith some minor tuning alterations depending on the final 'octane' performance.
3) It could be made anywhere there is flowing water / or salt water and a supply of electricity
4) Carbon negative even though it uses carbon as the source of the carbon was existing atmospheric carbon.

This may not end up being feasible even if it is successful. It is merely a point that a solution will come if the greater minds keep working at it, but I do not think Electric is the overall solution.



125 years ago there were no cars and I would suspect in 125 years the solution will be found and it wont be cars at all. What it is I do not know but it has not been thought of yet.....

Merc are winding back their EV stuff and heavily investing in ICE technology.
Long live the black stuff.

Here’s an idea

Keep using the oil that comes out of the ground, there’s an unlimited supply, stop politicising or weaponising it. Mentally leave it the fuck alone and just use it

Be happy with one’s life and be happy in your own skin, help others as your focus

Make 7 litres your minimum under bonnet friend, 8 litres from Keith Black an even better choice, go cruising, beach hops, go interstate, let your hair down, enjoy your vehicle, make sure quality music emanates from it if that’s what pleases you, travel further, be free , nought worrying oneself to an early end

Be thankful you got it in a colour other than black, -Life is for living

As Scotty often said " Ya canna break the laws of physics"

To propel any vehicle you need to do work, provided by energy. The last decade of EV development and uptake have come up hard against reality: EV charging on a Nationwide scale is unaffordable. Power will never be cheap and affordable, cause Capitilists want it to stay expensive. Here we are in 2024, some 38 years post privatisation of our Energy provider (NZED) so the 'market' will provide cheaper power to the consumer. Yeah right! Being told to not use power otherwise someone will run out of it as its cold and there's no wind or sun.

EV depreciation has become horrendous. EV tech is so specialised that there are not enough techs to keep a fleet going at a reasonable price. Battery longevity is turning out to be a whole lot less than initial calculations showed. Replacing batteries is far too expensive (price gouging, DG transportation around the world) so in the long run the EV turns out to not be the sustainable utopia that it was touted as. Its a throw away device. Hardly in the sustainable realms of a 30 year old Toyota Corolla.

Hydrogen sounds great. But it has just as many issues as battery tech. Its very sneaky. If it were possible to completely weld a steel container closed when it was full of liquid hydrogen (its not!!!) over time all the hydrogen would escape from the cylinder from between the molecules of steel. Pressures needed to keep a useable amount of hydrogen in a container are insane (10 thousand psi). You need access to a shitload of cheap energy to make clean hydrogen. Current tech is very dirty. The list goes on.

There's going to be a need for current improving tech ICE cars for many years. Until some utopian breakthrough occurs, ICE will be around for many decades....or you'll be living like a surf, hauling your mother in law around on a cart towed by a donkey

I could probably make a cart

Originally Posted by XR500

As Scotty often said " Ya canna break the laws of physics"

To propel any vehicle you need to do work, provided by energy. The last decade of EV development and uptake have come up hard against reality: EV charging on a Nationwide scale is unaffordable. Power will never be cheap and affordable, cause Capitilists want it to stay expensive. Here we are in 2024, some 38 years post privatisation of our Energy provider (NZED) so the 'market' will provide cheaper power to the consumer. Yeah right! Being told to not use power otherwise someone will run out of it as its cold and there's no wind or sun.

EV depreciation has become horrendous. EV tech is so specialised that there are not enough techs to keep a fleet going at a reasonable price. Battery longevity is turning out to be a whole lot less than initial calculations showed. Replacing batteries is far too expensive (price gouging, DG transportation around the world) so in the long run the EV turns out to not be the sustainable utopia that it was touted as. Its a throw away device. Hardly in the sustainable realms of a 30 year old Toyota Corolla.

Hydrogen sounds great. But it has just as many issues as battery tech. Its very sneaky. If it were possible to completely weld a steel container closed when it was full of liquid hydrogen (its not!!!) over time all the hydrogen would escape from the cylinder from between the molecules of steel. Pressures needed to keep a useable amount of hydrogen in a container are insane (10 thousand psi). You need access to a shitload of cheap energy to make clean hydrogen. Current tech is very dirty. The list goes on.

There's going to be a need for current improving tech ICE cars for many years. Until some utopian breakthrough occurs, ICE will be around for many decades....or you'll be living like a surf, hauling your mother in law around on a cart towed by a donkey

I thought you were taking your mother in law surfing for a bit until I realised you meant serf.
GPM.

They reckon there's more oil in the ground still,than what's been used since they found oil a zillion yrs ago.

Originally Posted by Trout

They reckon there's more oil in the ground still,than what's been used since they found oil a zillion yrs ago.

There is but it is getting harder to access...we have found the easy stuff......