Thread: LPG a word of warning

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

A cops life would be worth a lot less than 10k to a large percentage of tradeys....just sayin.

thats a fucking dumb thing to say...........just sayin

Originally Posted by Savage1

A cop can't issue a 10k ticket, someone is telling you porkies or omitting some very important parts of the story.

A quick google shows many many many tickets cops could issue over 10k, overweights on axels of trucks could well pass that.

20,000 for failing to give way to a rail vehicle on a level crossing...you cant ticket someone for that?

VC that's where it gets way out of kilter, the fines are bloody stupid, lies will, already have been, told. A mans dies at my place of business because of his own stupid fault and I get sent bankrupt and it would probably make me very bloody sour. Max fine $500k for a director! What's the point? The dicks dead, and my life is destroyed, my business is gone, other workers no jobs, yep makes perfect sense. I be better to run the guy down in my car first thing in the morning to negate my risk? I'd be better off financially

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

A quick google shows many many many tickets cops could issue over 10k, overweights on axels of trucks could well pass that.

20,000 for failing to give way to a rail vehicle on a level crossing...you cant ticket someone for that?

More likely done in court id say

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

What is the limit a cop can issue?

I'm not sure but the amounts are set, we can't just make it up. I've never seen one over $600 that I can remember excluding some of the HGV fines, I'll have a look at work tomorrow if I remember, I'll ask the CVIU guy.

Fines for heavy trade and DGs are in the tens of thousands, aren't they?

Geeze worse than the IRD!

Originally Posted by Moutere

Fines for heavy trade and DGs are in the tens of thousands, aren't they?

Yes

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Originally Posted by kiwijames

thats a fucking dumb thing to say...........just sayin

Just because you stick your head in the sand it doesn't make bad things go away.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Just because you stick your head in the sand it doesn't make bad things go away.

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Im not the one believing a secondhand email with more holes in it than a homeless mans sock, nor am I putting a price on a cops life (and yep Im a tradie too)

Originally Posted by Savage1

I'm not sure but the amounts are set, we can't just make it up. I've never seen one over $600 that I can remember excluding some of the HGV fines, I'll have a look at work tomorrow if I remember, I'll ask the CVIU guy.

I never said you could make up a fine

I said the fine is 10,000 because the fine is 10,000.
It's up to 20,000 for not giving way to a train for example.

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Originally Posted by Maca49

VC that's where it gets way out of kilter, the fines are bloody stupid, lies will, already have been, told. A mans dies at my place of business because of his own stupid fault and I get sent bankrupt and it would probably make me very bloody sour. Max fine $500k for a director! What's the point? The dicks dead, and my life is destroyed, my business is gone, other workers no jobs, yep makes perfect sense. I be better to run the guy down in my car first thing in the morning to negate my risk? I'd be better off financially

I would agree but many many many NZ businesses have considered their workers "expendable" in the past and unfortunately in rectifying the situation the pendulum has swung too far the other way, My own employer has gone from the old " just do it, its the nature of the job to be quite risky" to "health and safety is now the no 1 most important thing in the whole wide world forever and ever amen " and why well because now it might affect managements Personal pockets.

Yes our health and safety policy has gone from drag yourself to the creek to die ( that actually was the policy) to I must be seen to be doing the bare minimum.

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Originally Posted by mikee

I would agree but many many many NZ businesses have considered their workers "expendable" in the past and unfortunately in rectifying the situation the pendulum has swung too far the other way, My own employer has gone from the old " just do it, its the nature of the job to be quite risky" to "health and safety is now the no 1 most important thing in the whole wide world forever and ever amen " and why well because now it might affect managements Personal pockets.

You gotta get the culture right in ya muppets if you want Health and Safety to work. Big fines are not the way forward to start with. Everybody has to look after each other as if it is normal. Much of the crap I come across today is written by professional safety officers with little or no knowledge of the job at hand. Chuck covers on lathes and perspect cover on mills and drills are one of their wanking ideas! Any qualified tradesman finds them a pain in the arse, with poor visibility of what he's doing and more nip points, but what the fuck do I know I've only been working on them for 53 yrs! I agree that there have been some positive changes that needed to happen but if I'm worried every move I make may harm or kill me, it probably will!

Originally Posted by kiwijames

Im not the one believing a secondhand email with more holes in it than a homeless mans sock, nor am I putting a price on a cops life (and yep Im a tradie too)

People put prices on peoples lives all the time, if your really lucky and the company you worked when you were killed on the job can afford it your life might be worth 100,000 dollars.
If your unlucky and are kicked to death outside the pub by a group of teenagers then your life is only worth the 20 dollars in your wallet for the taxi that they took.
Not every one lives in a good neighbourhood has a firearms licence etc etc, there are bad people in the world.

The email went out accross a nationwide company.

Google it... that is what the fine is..only takes some one to write the ticket