Thread: need some suggestions of choosing between Ford Everest & Land Cruiser

Originally Posted by XR500

Had a mate with the 2 door 200 series, that began popping out of first gear on the overrun after about 20,000kms. Dealer said "its the way you drive". He retorted "This is my 4th LC, the last was the identical 2 door that I put 250,000km on, a lot of the time towing a horsefloat and it never once jumped out of any gear. This gearbox is faulty".

Still took him forever to have them resolve the issue.

They are running V8 diesel cruiser utes at the last place I was at. The fuel ute had an issue like that in first down hill after only 20k on it maybe less.
Gearbox had to come out.
There is apparently an adjustment that can be done first.
Wasnt the only one to do that.

Mmmmm...newer model 4x4s are most certainly not better - more durable and reliable than their 80s-90s predecessors.

Just spoke with mate at diesel shop and he said with Ranger both auto and manual gearboxes proving weak, and the bigger 3.2? Ford diesel also showing up with problems. DSL in Christchurch service the Rangers now out of warranty and being put to work by next owners, and alot of the trucks are not proving durable, reliable. Another Ranger owner might say his is great at 200k - but that just demonstrates the variable production quality - some good, some bad. Said he would not recommend an out-of-warranty Ranger to anyone. Ouch!!

Should add a rider to above comment on Rangers..

I don't think there's any such thing as a perfect truck. Yes some trucks will be a hell of a lot better than others, but every model has it's balance of some strengths and weaknesses, and may have it's issues. When buying any model it's a matter of doing real due diligence into both the good and the bad, learning about those strengths/weaknesses, finding best match for the driving you want to do, and looking at how you can manage the mechanical issues that might occur.

A classic example - in about 2016 I had a brand new Toyota Hilux D-4 3.0 for work. Seemed good while I had it, but of course I wasn't paying for maintenance. Recently saw a friend had bought one. I asked him "are those D-4 Hiluxes proving good", and he pulls a bit of a face, then says " well ..they're ok, at least I know the problems I'll face with it!".. And he's a Toyota mechanic! Thing is - he knew of the problems, weighed them up, and knew on balance exactly what he was getting. And that's pretty much what we all have to do - good due diligence on any model...and it certainly won't include the tv marketing

Yep, the issues with the 3.2L (and four-pot 2.2L for that matter) in the new common rail configuration have a lot of the same issues that other high pressure fixed supply diesels have. The issues are not specific to the Ranger but the entire model group gets tarred with the same brush. What is really weird, is talk to someone about rangers and they are starting to show a lot of issues diffs, steering racks, engines, injection, conbus (sorry CANBus) and electronics generally, and gearboxes. I talked to one guy who's in the trade and bagging Rangers as crap and unreliable and in the next breath he's trying to convince me the Mazda version (which came literally off the same production line) is so much more reliable. Umm, are you serious fella? WT actual F?

I suspect a lot of the issue is that there is a percentage failure rate for each part in a ute and simply put the staggering numbers of Rangers sold over the last 9 years means that the numbers of vehicles requiring deeper level service/repair makes it look like those are all less reliable as a percentage than other makes. I put forward the opinion that they all aproximately hit the same failure rate percentages, and the bigger issues are the supply of parts and costs of repair. In this area, I do think the Ranger/BT50 and Hiluxes are some of the better options simply due to the availability of spares and the numbers of vehicles out there showing similar issues meaning that the depth of repairer experience is deeper than with other makes.

Now a Merc or a VW I can't really recommend and the same for the Foton Torpedos and the other newer Asian derived brands simply due to the reported issues of sourcing what should be a reasonably commonly replaced part!

No 3 - the trade guy might have had a point about latest BT 50 Mazda utes. My cobber, a new D-Max owner, told me recently the Mazda BT50s are now a twin truck to the Isuzu D-Max. Mazda now uses the Isuzu D-Max motor, running gear, boxes, chassis etc and pops its own skin on it. And the Isuzu D-Max is alot more reliable than the Rangers and Toyotas of recent times - with all their problems. The Dmax and BT50 run an Isuzu 3.0 light commercial truck motor with some tweaking. Much more reliable and durable - although Isuzu having some body cracking issues etc in rough Aus road conditions as mentioned - one or two other points as well. They can all have some..

I think if I was buying a diesel ute from 2015 on now, I'd go the Isuzu D-Max, and if after a full body cabin vehicle I'd get a Mu-X. Or BT50 Mazda equivalents if its got the full isuzu motor/drivetrain.

VW and Mercedes... how to spend money!!! Porsche Cayennes cheap as chips now too! They had one in diesel shop couple of years back for full injector system/pump etc, and freighted from Germany and installed it was $24,000 then.

Originally Posted by mudgripz

No 3 - the trade guy might have had a point about latest BT 50 Mazda utes. My cobber, a new D-Max owner, told me recently the Mazda BT50s are now a twin truck to the Isuzu D-Max. Mazda now uses the Isuzu D-Max motor, running gear, boxes, chassis etc and pops its own skin on it. And the Isuzu D-Max is alot more reliable than the Rangers and Toyotas of recent times - with all their problems. The Dmax and BT50 run an Isuzu 3.0 light commercial truck motor with some tweaking. Much more reliable and durable - although Isuzu having some body cracking issues etc in rough Aus road conditions as mentioned - one or two other points as well. They can all have some..

I think if I was buying a diesel ute from 2015 on now, I'd go the Isuzu D-Max, and if after a full body cabin vehicle I'd get a Mu-X. Or BT50 Mazda equivalents if its got the full isuzu motor/drivetrain.

VW and Mercedes... how to spend money!!! Porsche Cayennes cheap as chips now too! They had one in diesel shop couple of years back for full injector system/pump etc, and freighted from Germany and installed it was $24,000 then.

Well spoken @mudgripz. I’ve had Toyota; literally! Drove a manual d-max right round Sth island with caravan behind. It performed flawlessly and returned 10.4 litres/100. Traded it on a ‘21 MU-x. Again, excellent vehicle. I have mates who are mechanics, both with own businesses and they recommended Isuzu. BTW current fuel consumption in MU-x is in the low 9L range. I’m happy.

This is the SUV you don't buy... Good condition, well maintained, 2006 model, name brand, just 214k -and yours for $8000 ono... if he's lucky!

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/c...1?bof=ca1Pngr2

I feel for the owners when I see them driving down the road - but - there's one born every minute...

Originally Posted by mudgripz

This is the SUV you don't buy... Good condition, well maintained, 2006 model, name brand, just 214k -and yours for $8000 ono... if he's lucky!

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/c...1?bof=ca1Pngr2

I feel for the owners when I see them driving down the road - but - there's one born every minute...

There was an old meme circulating years ago with a billboard showing what the advertising slogan would be if the car companies were honest..... in the case of the Porsche Cayenne, the slogan was "show the world you know fuck all about cars" - still true to this day.

Originally Posted by mudgripz

This is the SUV you don't buy... Good condition, well maintained, 2006 model, name brand, just 214k -and yours for $8000 ono... if he's lucky!

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/c...1?bof=ca1Pngr2

I feel for the owners when I see them driving down the road - but - there's one born every minute...

Of course I will not... I am from China, but I have different taste. I drove one of this before in Akl, mostly helping neighbor pick up their kids, or airport pickup and drop ioff, not like it. narrow vision, stiff breaks....for European cars, BMW 3 series before 2006, and Unimog I like very much.

From what I concluded, LC 100 series is the best option for me, or 200 vx leather seats , but leave that big truck on the roadside overnight while I was going up there for hunting??

Originally Posted by mudgripz

No 3 - the trade guy might have had a point about latest BT 50 Mazda utes. My cobber, a new D-Max owner, told me recently the Mazda BT50s are now a twin truck to the Isuzu D-Max. Mazda now uses the Isuzu D-Max motor, running gear, boxes, chassis etc and pops its own skin on it. And the Isuzu D-Max is alot more reliable than the Rangers and Toyotas of recent times - with all their problems. The Dmax and BT50 run an Isuzu 3.0 light commercial truck motor with some tweaking. Much more reliable and durable - although Isuzu having some body cracking issues etc in rough Aus road conditions as mentioned - one or two other points as well. They can all have some..

I think if I was buying a diesel ute from 2015 on now, I'd go the Isuzu D-Max, and if after a full body cabin vehicle I'd get a Mu-X. Or BT50 Mazda equivalents if its got the full isuzu motor/drivetrain.

VW and Mercedes... how to spend money!!! Porsche Cayennes cheap as chips now too! They had one in diesel shop couple of years back for full injector system/pump etc, and freighted from Germany and installed it was $24,000 then.

It's funny, my experience of the D-Max was in industrial service vehicles - buy it as a cab chassis and fit a service deck on it, then drive it to the suspension outfit to correct the sagging arse then load the tools on it, and drive it back to the suspension place to correct the sagging arse on it. Then wonder why the chassis has cracked through the spring and shock mounts. I haven't heard anything flattering about the new ones yet either, but the boys aren't enjoying many of the new vehicles to be fair. The older BT50 (twin of the Ranger) was the one I was refering to about reliability, I haven't had anything to do with the twin of the D-Max although I see the local ford/mazda agent has built a new showroom for Mazda and rehashed the old one for Ford so they are obviously not playing happy families any more. The only guy I know that's gone from the 3.2L to the 3.0L regrets it, finds it gutless and thirsty.

I can't find anything more economical than the Ranger I have now, all use around town and towing at rolling average of 8.7L/100K's - everything else I've had has been over 11.5 and in some cases significantly over. Apart from electrical and electronic gremlins, and the usual crap floppy factory suspension I haven't been able to really fault mine (ignoring dealer servicing balls ups).

Have had four Landcruisers in the last 13 years, all trouble free motoring apart from routine maintenance like tyres, brakes, bushes, belts etc. Yes, they’re thirstier than a modern ute, but everyone that travels with me comments how comfortable they are on and off road. And I spend a lot of time driving long distances so that’s a major factor for me. 2-3 litres per 100km mean nothing, and I’ll get that money back at trading time. All apart from my current one has been driven by me beyond 350,000kms and sold easily. My current one is nearly at 300,000km. I could sell it for pretty much the same money I paid for it. The first 100 series I sold to a mate has over 700,000kms on now and hasn’t given trouble. I would buy a 10 year old 2nd hand Landcruiser with 150,000km on it before I bought a new ute, pretty much all new vehicles are cheap junk in my opinion. Have weighed up the options many many times. Depending on your budget, I would look for a tidy lowish km 100 series, there’s a few 1998-2001 ones coming in from Japan that are mint. My boss just bought one that has less than 100K on it and is like it came off the show room floor.


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Originally Posted by JoshC

Have had four Landcruisers in the last 13 years, all trouble free motoring apart from routine maintenance like tyres, brakes, bushes, belts etc. Yes, they’re thirstier than a modern ute, but everyone that travels with me comments how comfortable they are on and off road. And I spend a lot of time driving long distances so that’s a major factor for me. 2-3 litres per 100km mean nothing, and I’ll get that money back at trading time. All apart from my current one has been driven by me beyond 350,000kms and sold easily. My current one is nearly at 300,000km. I could sell it for pretty much the same money I paid for it. The first 100 series I sold to a mate has over 700,000kms on now and hasn’t given trouble. I would buy a 10 year old 2nd hand Landcruiser with 150,000km on it before I bought a new ute, pretty much all new vehicles are cheap junk in my opinion. Have weighed up the options many many times. Depending on your budget, I would look for a tidy lowish km 100 series, there’s a few 1998-2001 ones coming in from Japan that are mint. My boss just bought one that has less than 100K on it and is like it came off the show room floor.


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Thank you, this is very clear to me now

Originally Posted by Black Rabbit

Hi.

Hope you pros could share some inputs about these two SUV, Ford Everest & LC. I like Jeep Wranglers and Ute but those are for hunting and fishing purpose vehicles, and I do need a SUV which has enough space so that I can put all my belongings in if I need to relocate to somewhere else. I have a Nissan x -trail 2.0, imported from Japan and I am the 1st owner, I like it very much and there were lots of good memories on it. But after received a phone call this morning, I have to let it go, either to put it some where else, or sell it. So, I have to pick up another SUV, or keep my Jam, I call my x trial, Jam.

Thank you.

Just ordered the new Everest for the old man, he was tossing up between that and the new patrol
Hard to beat a new model and 5 years warranty and don't think u can actually get any Toyotas for 6+ months.

@Black Rabbit perhaps not this one though !!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1579860800357138432