Thread: need some suggestions of choosing between Ford Everest & Land Cruiser

Originally Posted by 300winmag

My 2018 VX has just had the front discs, pads done, fuel filter replaced and Wof for approx $800.00
Previous service was no more than $500.00
110k on the clock. From new it had a 8000km service interval, I stretched most of them to 15k.
Tyres approx $300.00 each, get around 40 - 50k out of them.
138 ltr fuel tank
Insurance a couple of grand.
New ones come out in a V6

So services with some replacements probably will cost around $3,000 each year, right?
Thanks

Working on my truck sunday with mechanic mate who runs the big diesel shop in Chch. Talked more about the out-of-warranty Rangers, and he said again they're doing too many - gearboxes and motor trouble - and at low ks. You may get plenty of good ones but unfortunately too many turning up bad. Doing mostly 3.2s but mostly because the smaller motors may still be in warranty.

Asked him about the Landruiser VX100 and he likes them. 2.5 tonnes so a big heavy unit but he said the 4.2 24 valve diesel (as in later series 80s) is a good motor. VX100 not quite as good offroad as 80 series - I think he mentioned beam axle rear and independent suspension front - but still a a good sound, comfortable and capable unit. Fuel reasonable with the diesels - I think we saw 24-25mpg at best on a trip in his 80 series. Said mechanically take the VX100 over a Ranger any day.

80 and 100 series are getting pretty old now. Lots of rust in older 80s over here and always a bit of refurb needed on the consumables, moving parts, shocks, ball joints, universals ….


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Originally Posted by Black Rabbit

So services with some replacements probably will cost around $3,000 each year, right?
Thanks

Just like owning guns, are you really worried how many rounds you send down the spout ??

Ouch!! ... Toyota Australia lost a big class action suit regarding defective DPF filters and excessive maintenance problems earlier this year. This suit, whether different or related, seems to be about false emission claims.. Reads:

"Many of Australia's most popular diesel vehicles are involved in "one of the biggest claims in Australia's legal history" alleging Toyota used "defeat devices" to hide vehicle emissions and evade Australian standards.
Up to half a million Australian car owners could be represented in the class action lawsuit lodged in Victoria's Supreme Court on Monday by Maddens Lawyers, with its lead lawyer warning the company could be forced to pay out up to AU$1 billion (NZ$1.1 billion).
Popular vehicles targeted in the lawsuit range from four-wheel drives to utes and vans including the Toyota Hilux, Land Cruiser, RAV4, Prado, Fortuner, Granvia and Hiace."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/300...iesel-vehicles

Originally Posted by mudgripz

Working on my truck sunday with mechanic mate who runs the big diesel shop in Chch. Talked more about the out-of-warranty Rangers, and he said again they're doing too many - gearboxes and motor trouble - and at low ks. You may get plenty of good ones but unfortunately too many turning up bad. Doing mostly 3.2s but mostly because the smaller motors may still be in warranty.

Asked him about the Landruiser VX100 and he likes them. 2.5 tonnes so a big heavy unit but he said the 4.2 24 valve diesel (as in later series 80s) is a good motor. VX100 not quite as good offroad as 80 series - I think he mentioned beam axle rear and independent suspension front - but still a a good sound, comfortable and capable unit. Fuel reasonable with the diesels - I think we saw 24-25mpg at best on a trip in his 80 series. Said mechanically take the VX100 over a Ranger any day.

Thank you will keep it in mind, and visit your friend shop once I have a Toyota.

Originally Posted by 300winmag

Just like owning guns, are you really worried how many rounds you send down the spout ??

Depends on what rounds Yeah I understand the ownership cost structure for that truck, hope maybe I can register it under a business. thanks

On a older 4Wd vehicle doing 20-25, 000 kms you will have two services. One of which will cost you 2-3 k because of the additional maintenance whether tyres, suspension or other repairs eg engine, radiator turbo etc. At least that’s been my Toyota exp for the last 15 years.


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The 200 series cruisers are pretty thirsty, I reckon they'd use at least 50% more fuel than a ute/everest.

200 series and an Everest can't really be compared, quite different machines.

You do see a few of those LC200 with worn or blown motors, or had engine replacements, around the350-400k mark, I think some of the earlier models had engine issues.

Round town (Auckland) my wagon does 13.7 litres per 100km

The 80 and 100 series are time tested and pretty bulletproof. If I was looking for a "rest of my life" 4x4 and I came across a rust free specimen for the right price I reckon you couldn't go past a zero rebuild and you would be done and dusted for the next 15-20 years depending on your annual ks and terrain tackled.

Then again, I have a shed full of Patrols, so am already set up for the rest of my life.

I religiously service my 200 series before every 10,000kms, or approx every 2nd month for me. I replace fuel filter every service. Most recent service - oil/oil filter, grease unis, diesel filter and consumables and mechanics time cost me $314+GST. I replace air filter and Toyota fuel injector cleaner every 2nd service.

I do other things myself, such as diffs and transfer case, brake fluid every 50,000km, and new coolant and flush trans every 100,000km. That costs me about $200 in fluids and a couple hours of my time. Tyres every year just before winter, at a cost of about $2k.

Always use genuine Toyota parts…

Mine averages about 14 litres per 100km, that’s running 34 inch mud tyres, bar work, etc and extra weight. Once I start towing thru winter, a large tandem trailer, 1-2 tonnes, for 5-6 months daily, that goes up to about 16-17 litres per hundred. And that includes a few hundred off road/low box kms per month as well. I don’t think it’s that thirsty for the work it does.

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If you really want to go off road you need a 4wd motorbike, drive to the end of the road even in a 2wd ute/trailer drop the bike off and away you go.
A ute may say 4wd, but they all get stuck pretty easy unless you have dedicated off road tires, a winch and half a clue how to drive it, and the roads ahead. A 4wd motorbike and you can be a complete muppet and you should be good apart from tipping it over.

Originally Posted by JoshC

I religiously service my 200 series before every 10,000kms, or approx every 2nd month for me. I replace fuel filter every service. Most recent service - oil/oil filter, grease unis, diesel filter and consumables and mechanics time cost me $314+GST. I replace air filter and Toyota fuel injector cleaner every 2nd service.

I do other things myself, such as diffs and transfer case, brake fluid every 50,000km, and new coolant and flush trans every 100,000km. That costs me about $200 in fluids and a couple hours of my time. Tyres every year just before winter, at a cost of about $2k.

Always use genuine Toyota parts…

Mine averages about 14 litres per 100km, that’s running 34 inch mud tyres, bar work, etc and extra weight. Once I start towing thru winter, a large tandem trailer, 1-2 tonnes, for 5-6 months daily, that goes up to about 16-17 litres per hundred. And that includes a few hundred off road/low box kms per month as well. I don’t think it’s that thirsty for the work it does.

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Right, big tyres off road, heave load will cause more fuels, I do `t actually care about fuel cost, just like to understand ongoing service/maintenance cost since that is inevitable and do `t have experience of owning a diesel 4x4. But now I know, thank you all. And, I will not tow a large load, only maybe will carry 3-4 passengers with hunting and fishing gears when FTEs really come back. Btw, 1-2 tonnes trailer? Horses?

Originally Posted by jackson21

If you really want to go off road you need a 4wd motorbike, drive to the end of the road even in a 2wd ute/trailer drop the bike off and away you go.
A ute may say 4wd, but they all get stuck pretty easy unless you have dedicated off road tires, a winch and half a clue how to drive it, and the roads ahead. A 4wd motorbike and you can be a complete muppet and you should be good apart from tipping it over.

I thought about that before, like to have a Honda 4x4 with independent suspensions. But, I dropped this idea for now for my reasons. If really, I can have a place in SI and get settled little bit, I will have a Jeep Wrangler Tj only for fishing & hunting purpose. Hope I can have this little dream come true next year.