Thread: New Ute Dilemma

Originally Posted by Dicko

The v6 180 KW, 600 NM motor and 10 speed box is smoother than a 4/5 cyclinder and quiet, no diesel rattle like in my old Toyota.

I wouldn’t touch that engine with a bargepole. The idea of being caught with one of those out of warranty would fill me with utter dread.

The Ranger 3.0 V6 is the “Powerstroke” American evolution of the Ford / PSA Lion series engine used in the Land Rovers and Jaguars that was so disastrous reliability wise, with a shocking rate of catastrophic engine failures. You can spend an entire day watching / reading about that particular debacle. Ford’s Dagenham manufacturing plant and the various parts suppliers came in for scathing criticism for the amount of serious breakages - snapped cranks, all sorts.

When Ford took the Lion engine to America, Ford America redesigned the bottom end in an effort to fix these problems. It was sold in the F150 for a very short period of time before it was abruptly discontinued for reasons that Ford didn’t really discuss. Probably because it simply wasn’t popular, but it also had lots of niggly problems (not unusual for American engines).

The Powerstroke is still relatively unproven in terms of high mileage reliability. Definitely not for me no matter how smooth and powerful. If it was going to be my forever ute I’d want something that’s got a lot more / better reputation behind it.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

I wouldn’t touch that engine with a bargepole. The idea of being caught with one of those out of warranty would fill me with utter dread.

The Ranger 3.0 V6 is the “Powerstroke” American evolution of the Ford / PSA Lion series engine used in the Land Rovers and Jaguars that was so disastrous reliability wise, with a shocking rate of catastrophic engine failures. You can spend an entire day watching / reading about that particular debacle. Ford’s Dagenham manufacturing plant and the various parts suppliers came in for scathing criticism for the amount of serious breakages - snapped cranks, all sorts.

When Ford took the Lion engine to America, Ford America redesigned the bottom end in an effort to fix these problems. It was sold in the F150 for a very short period of time before it was abruptly discontinued for reasons that Ford didn’t really discuss. Probably because it simply wasn’t popular, but it also had lots of niggly problems (not unusual for American engines).

The Powerstroke is still relatively unproven in terms of high mileage reliability. Definitely not for me no matter how smooth and powerful. If it was going to be my forever ute I’d want something that’s got a lot more / better reputation behind it.

@Flyblown

Does that mean you'd be goosy about the new Amarok V6 diesels as well?

Originally Posted by Maxx

@Flyblown

Does that mean you'd be goosy about the new Amarok V6 diesels as well?

Anything with VW on it scares me, rather have a Ford, plus they’re cheaper

Originally Posted by Maxx

@Flyblown

Does that mean you'd be goosy about the new Amarok V6 diesels as well?

Even longer bargepole required.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

Even longer bargepole required.

But I'm sure the TV ad said they were the thinking man's ute ?

Originally Posted by Maxx

But I'm sure the TV ad said they were the thinking man's ute ?

The thinking man doesn’t have commercial TV and definitely does not watch adverts.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

I wouldn’t touch that engine with a bargepole. The idea of being caught with one of those out of warranty would fill me with utter dread.

The Ranger 3.0 V6 is the “Powerstroke” American evolution of the Ford / PSA Lion series engine used in the Land Rovers and Jaguars that was so disastrous reliability wise, with a shocking rate of catastrophic engine failures. You can spend an entire day watching / reading about that particular debacle. Ford’s Dagenham manufacturing plant and the various parts suppliers came in for scathing criticism for the amount of serious breakages - snapped cranks, all sorts.

When Ford took the Lion engine to America, Ford America redesigned the bottom end in an effort to fix these problems. It was sold in the F150 for a very short period of time before it was abruptly discontinued for reasons that Ford didn’t really discuss. Probably because it simply wasn’t popular, but it also had lots of niggly problems (not unusual for American engines).

The Powerstroke is still relatively unproven in terms of high mileage reliability. Definitely not for me no matter how smooth and powerful. If it was going to be my forever ute I’d want something that’s got a lot more / better reputation behind it.

Interesting side line that little discussion - the 3.2L 5 cylinder is apparently a Peugeot derivative of a Renault design, and the V6 is apparently another derivative of a different Renault design also with some Peugeot mixed in there somewhere. Apparently the peoples in the Renault design department went OTT on the designing side of diesel engines and tied up a heap of patents.

@Gamehunter yes I was going to mention how quiet the Nissan is. It's actually quieter than my wife's Mazda CX3 which has only done 60,000kms. I think good tyres are part of the equation. Can't remember the Brand? But they don't let go on wet corners are are OK for the moderate off road driving I do.

Tahr

Elephant in the room. Ask your new mate what vehicle would be preferred. A mans best friend "must' have first choice in all important matters. LOL.

Originally Posted by TeRei

Tahr

Elephant in the room. Ask your new mate what vehicle would be preferred. A mans best friend "must' have first choice in all important matters. LOL.

Easier to remove dog hair off leather upolstery

The new Amarok is the new ranger v6 motor. Some thing

I have a 2018 MQ Triton, while cheaper than the Ranger, Hilux, Colorado and D-Max you seem to get fleeced by servicing costs. In
saying that I don’t know what the servicing costs are of other Utes.

As an example mine just went in for its 90,000km service (which is a big one), $1,200 later. I think the service before that was $900. I’d be curious to know what others pay for other models as a comparison.

Originally Posted by Andrew46826

I have a 2018 MQ Triton, while cheaper than the Ranger, Hilux, Colorado and D-Max you seem to get fleeced by servicing costs. In
saying that I don’t know what the servicing costs are of other Utes.

As an example mine just went in for its 90,000km service (which is a big one), $1,200 later. I think the service before that was $900. I’d be curious to know what others pay for other models as a comparison.

Here's the servicing fees for all Toyotas and what gets done
https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset..._menu_2023.pdf

https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset...dule__2022.pdf

https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset...edule-2022.pdf

Originally Posted by uk_exile

Here's the servicing fees for all Toyotas and what gets done
https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset..._menu_2023.pdf

https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset...dule__2022.pdf

https://www.toyota.co.nz/globalasset...edule-2022.pdf

Can also save a bit by prepaying for services when you buy the vehicle.


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we pay that every year to keep up to WOF with an older terrano.