Thread: Robinson helicopters - new possible rules CAA

VC: I think he was talking wind speed..

Originally Posted by 6x47

VC: I think he was talking wind speed..

Ahhh that makes more sense........thats not much wind tho either.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Ahhh that makes more sense........thats not much wind tho either.

It is, when its up your bum (in any machine for that matter) while working animals.😆

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Originally Posted by R93

It is, when its up your bum (in any machine for that matter) while working animals.��

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What I was going for is 20knt "measured" at presumably the local airport could mean back eddy's, up and down drafts and funnels that turn 20knt into 40-60knt in places.

presumably 20knt would be no problem at all over the likes of the outback of Australia(dust discounted) vs the mountains of NZ ?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

What I was going for is 20knt "measured" at presumably the local airport could mean back eddy's, up and down drafts and funnels that turn 20knt into 40-60knt in places.

presumably 20knt would be no problem at all over the likes of the outback of Australia(dust discounted) vs the mountains of NZ ?

Yup. You're onto it.
If the machine weather cocks when in balance, it is too windy to be in the mountains imo.
A 20+ knt S easterly or Northerly was unpleasant to fly in when up some major South Westland valleys in a 22 or 44.
We never hunted in anything like that as the animals were not about either.

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Mast Bumping: Has New Zealand Pilot Culture Cost Lives? - Heliweb Magazine Some might find it interesting.

I've got/had a pretty awesome photo of Wayne using his Robbi to herd a big red stag towards my brother on the ground in Argentina.

Tell me you guys who travel the world flying helicopters, is there a problem with "mast bumping" with 22 and 44 Robbies elsewhere.

If you read the article posted above by Snowgrass it seems NZ has a very high rate compared to US.

Undetermined reasons: Are Robinson helicopters too dangerous?

Originally Posted by stug

If you read the article posted above by Snowgrass it seems NZ has a very high rate compared to US.

We do have a high rate but the majority of our country is mountainous with a different climate compared to the US.

The Yanks are right. If the machine is flown as per the manual when in turbulent conditions the machine will perform fine.

I personally think there should be a max wind strength restriction placed on them in NZ.
Sometimes you cant help or predict the wind strength on your flight route.
But limiting the chances will reduce the events aside from poor handling.


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Originally Posted by outdoorlad

Undetermined reasons: Are Robinson helicopters too dangerous?

That was worth a read,thanks T

Originally Posted by stug

If you read the article posted above by Snowgrass it seems NZ has a very high rate compared to US.

Aware of that but most more interested in the input from pilots who may have discussed it with other overseas pilots. Wondered if "pilot error" was being pushed there.

Interesting that the two non fatal must bump episodes that have happened in NZ, they didn't follow Robinsons procedure (for various reasons) & survived by doing something different, one of which is a technique advocated by Simon Spencer-Bower who is probably the most experienced Robbie instructor in the world.

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

Interesting that the two non fatal must bump episodes that have happened in NZ, they didn't follow Robinsons procedure (for various reasons) & survived by doing something different, one of which is a technique advocated by Simon Spencer-Bower who is probably the most experienced Robbie instructor in the world.

Care to elaborate? I have never heard of another recovery except one that was not proven at the time. May have been from SSB all the same.


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