Thread: RUC increases

Originally Posted by Lurch

especially when they catch fire ,which seems to be more frequently than old skool vehicles they carry around litres of flamable liquid

Not even close to being true. I work at a fuel terminal where we’re currently storing some EVs. Part of the MOC and risk assessment covered fire and all the research we did found CE vehicles caught fire a hell of a lot more than EVs

Originally Posted by McNotty

Not even close to being true. I work at a fuel terminal where we’re currently storing some EVs. Part of the MOC and risk assessment covered fire and all the research we did found CE vehicles caught fire a hell of a lot more than EVs

In proportion to numbers on the road or just total fires of each type.

Originally Posted by tetawa

In proportion to numbers on the road or just total fires of each type.

If I remember right, EVs 0.3% chance vs CE 1.5% chance of igniting. Lots of research, figures don’t change too much. If you took out fires while EVs charging, it’d be even less.

Originally Posted by McNotty

If I remember right, EVs 0.3% chance vs CE 1.5% chance of igniting. Lots of research, figures don’t change too much. If you took out fires while EVs charging, it’d be even less.

@McNotty Dont suppose you have the stats for putting out said fires...From what I understand EV fires are extremely diffcult to quell and CE fires are relatively straight forward in comparison....Dont get me wrong; it is best to avoid fire in both- no question...but we hear that fire crews essentialy wait for EVs to finnish burning and work on stopping any fire spreading rather than actuually extinguish the fire like they would with CE....

Originally Posted by McNotty

If I remember right, EVs 0.3% chance vs CE 1.5% chance of igniting. Lots of research, figures don’t change too much. If you took out fires while EVs charging, it’d be even less.

Whoa back there fella... Adjust your figures for age and speed of fire development (as a factor of damage caused) and then run the numbers.

Also total risk from compounds generated from the combustion and gassing off processes is horrific with EV batteries, them bastards are WAY more toxic than any other vehicle fire. The figure was something like up to 3000 gallons of toxic gasses per kWH of capacity - which it lots.

Originally Posted by yerimaginaryM8

I see on the NZTA web site



I don't get it? What is judged as "too much RUCs"? surely if you currently have RUCs and use them up you can just buy new ones later in the year when they run out? Say I buy RUC's before the end of the month at the cheap rate will they credit me back RUC's at the price paid (old rate) or will I get a reduced number of rucs back (charged at new rate).

Just don’t do it, if you caught and they think you purchased too much they just invoice you the difference. Good luck to them chasing everyone

Fair enough.
I've never done risk assessment,seen a fair few vids now of spectacular explosions and fires involving battery cars.
Statistics are commod

Commodity

I don't have a problem with RUC, but I have a problem with the unfair application of it.
All the waffle we hear about EV's is just that - waffle.
We urgently need to reduce the numbers of vehicles crawling over the planet like ants.
EV's have tyres, and tyres, with road marking paint, are a significant contributor to ocean microplastics.
We think tyres are just rubber, but are actually a plastic/rubber compound that finds it's way into the oceans from all roads/stromwater conduits, albeit inland or coastal.
Here is a sobering ASA science prediction;-
Quite soon now, all the ocean plastics by weight, will equal all the ocean fish by weight.
I say apply RUC to ALL vehicles, including private cars, to minimise unnecessary car use

Originally Posted by Brasso

I don't have a problem with RUC, but I have a problem with the unfair application of it.
All the waffle we hear about EV's is just that - waffle.
We urgently need to reduce the numbers of vehicles crawling over the planet like ants.
EV's have tyres, and tyres, with road marking paint, are a significant contributor to ocean microplastics.
We think tyres are just rubber, but are actually a plastic/rubber compound that finds it's way into the oceans from all roads/stromwater conduits, albeit inland or coastal.
Here is a sobering ASA science prediction;-
Quite soon now, all the ocean plastics by weight, will equal all the ocean fish by weight.
I say apply RUC to ALL vehicles, including private cars, to minimise unnecessary car use

Unfortunately there's a heavy tax included in the price of petrol, RUCs are designed for diesels vehicles that don't have that tax included in the fuel cost

Originally Posted by Brasso

I don't have a problem with RUC, but I have a problem with the unfair application of it.
All the waffle we hear about EV's is just that - waffle.
We urgently need to reduce the numbers of vehicles crawling over the planet like ants.
EV's have tyres, and tyres, with road marking paint, are a significant contributor to ocean microplastics.
We think tyres are just rubber, but are actually a plastic/rubber compound that finds it's way into the oceans from all roads/stromwater conduits, albeit inland or coastal.
Here is a sobering ASA science prediction;-
Quite soon now, all the ocean plastics by weight, will equal all the ocean fish by weight.
I say apply RUC to ALL vehicles, including private cars, to minimise unnecessary car use

What do you class as unnecessary use, many of us live were public transport is zero. We are already paying over the top for fuel in this country let alone RUC charges.

Originally Posted by Brasso

I don't have a problem with RUC, but I have a problem with the unfair application of it.
All the waffle we hear about EV's is just that - waffle.
We urgently need to reduce the numbers of vehicles crawling over the planet like ants.
EV's have tyres, and tyres, with road marking paint, are a significant contributor to ocean microplastics.
We think tyres are just rubber, but are actually a plastic/rubber compound that finds it's way into the oceans from all roads/stromwater conduits, albeit inland or coastal.
Here is a sobering ASA science prediction;-
Quite soon now, all the ocean plastics by weight, will equal all the ocean fish by weight.
I say apply RUC to ALL vehicles, including private cars, to minimise unnecessary car use

and i say the only public transport you will see me use is an airbus or boeing!
i will drive my cars when i bloody well want and the greenies can go fornicate with themselves, pathetic socialist brainwashed little muppets

Unfortunately mate, but fortunately in the broader vision, we won't drive our vehicles "when we bloody well want" for too much longer.
Antarctic deep core drilling next summer is going to turn our lives upside down if the predicted answers become a reality (strong possibility), because it will be empirical proof that global warming is caused by homo sapiens. Yep, that's you and me mate.
You only have to see what's happening with those floods up north.
It was predicted.
Sadly, that old adage, "he who doesn't learn from experience is doomed to repeat it" is very true.
The global science community have been trying to talk to us for decades, but there are four major problems;-
1) We don't listen
2) We don't listen
3) We don't listen
4) We drive our vehicles "whenever we bloody want".
Meanwhile, keep the powder dry mate.

EV's are horrid. tesla doubly so

Abit off topic...

I was told NZ Toyota waiting for the new emissions law to kick in before deciding to hold or take new orders for the 70's series,
hate to think how much ute tax or ruc that beast going to cost.