AFAIK sleeved poles are stronger than clipped as they spread the force more evenly, and even if a pole does break then as long as it doesn't rip through the sleeve the tent can mostly stay up. Clips are generally quicker and easier, but not as strong which is why a lot of alpine tents use sleeves instead.
I have sleeved and clipped tents so a bit of experience both ways.
Had this one for 10+ years but it doesn't get used often now:
Lake Dumb-bell by Ben, on Flickr
Fairydown Assault - solid as alpine tent which has stood up to plenty of 'interesting' weather, but a heavy beast at 3.6kg. 2 sleeved poles with crossovers and one that clips across sideways, then fly over the top. Definitely a bit slower and more awkward to put up, but I still never got the inner very wet before putting the fly over it. After a while you learn the best process to do it relatively quickly. A good feature of this tent (and some others) is having two doors and vestibules - heaps of gear storage and no need to climb over your mate to get out for a piss in the middle of the night.
This one does most of my trips now:
Campsite below Bruce Peak by Ben, on Flickr
Mont Bell Chronos 2 - simple dome structure but with some clever geometry to widen the headroom. Innner clips up to the poles and fly goes over the top, with a decent sized vestibule out the side. Only one vestibule and door, but good ventilation on the other side as well. Not a full 4-season alpine tent like the fairydown, but plenty strong enough for most backcountry use - probably 4 season below the snowline and 3 season above it. It can also work as a lightweight mode with only the groundsheet, poles and fly (from memory around 1.5kg instead of 2.4kg normal weight) for good weather trips, but rain would blow under the edge of the fly using it that way in a storm.
I don't have any photos of them up without the fly that I can find.
Also had plenty of nights in Macpac Olympus and Minarets, fast easy-pitch design (thread poles through sleeves, peg one end down, stretch it out and peg other end) which keeps inner and fly together. Main downside of the tunnel design is being more directional for wind resistance, toe into the wind they're solid but a side wind can buffet them a bit. Plus they don't stay up without pegs/guy ropes to keep tension, the structure isn't self-supporting. Also some people don't like crawling in from the end instead of the side, but thats no big deal really. Minaret is a bit small for two blokes to share unless they're pretty comfortable with each other mind you.
Last edited by GravelBen; 01-05-2017 at 09:27 PM.
Awesome information all.
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Dan M
Thanks GB, nice info and pics!
don't have a pic of mine but found something on the web. It's 4+Kg hence desire to get something a little easier to pack around.... even if it is bullet proof. One guy on the web said he could lie on top of it! Dunno if I'd try, too many pies after that pie thread....
@Nibblet is the weight of them as advertised?
Shut up, get out & start pushing!
Will throw it on the scales tonight and advise.
And if I'm home early enough will set it up with a few photos along the way
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I recently brought a Big Agnes UL MTN GLO 2 man tent and love it!! Lots of great features, seems to be made really well....and its bloody lite!! I sold my MSR Carbon 1 man tent as I wanted more room and I think this 2 man tent is even lighter. Plus at first I thought it was a gimmick but I'm absolutely sold on the sewn in LED lights!!
Sown in lights??? That's pretty choice. What they run on?
Tent
Carbon poles
Pegs
1.6 kg
And the ram on the roof of the tent glows in the dark which is cool but a little creepy the first time
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far out! Better coverage than the website!
Thanks Nibblet.
I take it you ordered direct? No local outlet? Any hassle on shipping?
cheers
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