Thread: Crossing show lines

Sigh. So long as your mutt isn't half pug put the work in and it will preform to a degree.

The breeding the breeding the breeding. But only to a point. If you don't put the work into them then they are all just a mutt, maybe a good mutt, but just a mutt. Some have a bit of inbuilt for some thing's but not other thing's, yet they can learn IF you know how to show them what you want.
Then you've got to get along with them and sync with them, which at times is way more then any breeding or anything else has to do with it.

A bad trainer can wreak the best breed dog there is.

The better bred the dog the easier they are to train and develop into a hunting dog and the easier they are to "sync" with.

breeding for bidability is very important if you want easier trained dogs.

Originally Posted by el borracho

breeding for bidability is very important if you want easier trained dogs.

temperament is fundamental to the scheme of things...

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Sigh. So long as your mutt isn't half pug put the work in and it will preform to a degree.

The breeding the breeding the breeding. But only to a point. If you don't put the work into them then they are all just a mutt, maybe a good mutt, but just a mutt. Some have a bit of inbuilt for some thing's but not other thing's, yet they can learn IF you know how to show them what you want.
Then you've got to get along with them and sync with them, which at times is way more then any breeding or anything else has to do with it.

A bad trainer can wreak the best breed dog there is.

Absolutely!

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Sigh. So long as your mutt isn't half pug put the work in and it will preform to a degree.

The breeding the breeding the breeding. But only to a point. If you don't put the work into them then they are all just a mutt, maybe a good mutt, but just a mutt. Some have a bit of inbuilt for some thing's but not other thing's, yet they can learn IF you know how to show them what you want.
Then you've got to get along with them and sync with them, which at times is way more then any breeding or anything else has to do with it.

A bad trainer can wreak the best breed dog there is.

as long as your realistic about the dogs temperament and potential I would agree with you wirehunt but to what level this dog can achieve compared to better breed animals will probably go untested and only ever end up a rural myth if its half good !

Originally Posted by el borracho

as long as your realistic about the dogs temperament and potential I would agree with you wirehunt but to what level this dog can achieve compared to better breed animals will probably go untested and only ever end up a rural myth if its half good !

How do you mean realistic...if the dog has a iffy temperament...its a fact, no need to be realistic about it...it is either of good temperament or not. I am however still caught up with the reasonable term...do you not think that the rough shooter, well some of us anyway, want a very high standard of work in the field from our dogs, just as we would in a trial...if you have dogs possessed and totally driven in their work, I cannot see reasonable as being a good enough level...a very high standard of work, I correct myself, a focused, intense portrayal of their prey drive, with an acknowledged connection with the handler...I for one would not mind in the least my dog being the subject of a rural myth.

Let your results speak for you

Originally Posted by el borracho

Let your results speak for you

I do...

then you probably got a reasonable dog

How do you see your dog, then?

pretty reasonable given his lack of work time --I put him up to be tested against others and let that be his credentials and not what I might romance

if you are inferring that I am romanciing about my dogs, then you are wrong...I know how they work in the field, I do not need to compete with anyone to know that...and while I appreciate their pedigrees are liberally splattered with French trial successes and the care of those breeders, they being the end result of all that embues them with qualities that make them more than reasonable to me...work in the rough is what makes the gundog...

Originally Posted by el borracho

pretty reasonable given his lack of work time --I put him up to be tested against others and let that be his credentials and not what I might romance

I cannot see you mentioned there at all !
i do find this statement quite tell tale and well worn though of romantics "I do not need to compete with anyone to know that.."
What is it that you want someone to say of a dog they have never seen in the public arena being tested against its peers other than its probably quite reasonable ??

I'm a dog man.