Thread: Crossing show lines

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HaHaHa spudattack removed his post, now I look like im already on the good shit

Originally Posted by upnorth uplander

HaHaHa spudattack removed his post, now I look like im already on the good shit

Haha, sorry mate, posted that on the wrong thread!

LOL

Maybe a better question to ask instead of this X between show/working would be "How often do you work your dogs?"

The whole reason the rabbiting pack do the lot is they work daily, you work a showpony cross everyday and I will almost guarantee it will come good. My lot have had the last three weeks off then I took them out yesterday, a bit warm but they just didn't want to work. Shit happens, but they have a lot in front of them.....
Oh, got three pure breeds coming, a straight lab and two straight whippets. I also had a fucking good black lab all papered up there earlier this year and that fucker was HARD, right up till cancer got him :rolleyes:

I think that's true of all dogs Wirehair... work and experience count for a lot...

but it comes under the category of "all things being equal".

My dogs work every single day too... I'm lucky, I'm rural, just walking my dogs they are working.

I am very lucky I have a very well respected dog here that is now in his twilight but I think I have seen several dogs from the same kennel with the potential to be as good as him, even though many consider him to be the cream of the crop, but at his peak he was picking up on driven pheasant shoots at least three days a week and walks consist of him, me and a shotgun busting bunnies... regardless of what genes are running through his veins, he KNOWS more than all those other dogs... He's had thousands of birds and bunnies, a few hundred ducks and has hunted all over the country in different terrains.... it has to help.

BUT If you took a X and one breed like him and gave the same exposure... I know which one would come out on top.

Don't be so sure Ruff.

If you want to cook a chocolate cake you put into that cake the right ingredients to make that cake, not just unknown stuff like gravel as it will probably break your tooth , hey it might not to as you may just swallow it .
Working dog breeders do this to the best of their ability depending whats on the ground to breed to and breed to the traits they like in another dog and their dog - known ingredients versus the show recipe which is all about coat , how far its tail is from its hips , are its ears pretty blahdy blahdy blah --it may end up pretty but you missed out putting the chocolate into the cake with no extra bird finding drive ,bidability and all the other fine points that make a working dog worth breeding to. The whole process has enough chance in it why make the devide bigger .
A questioned I posed before -at what stage does a show dog that hunts gets accepted as a working dog and worth breeding to though?

Some of the best cakes in fact with any cooking is when you put in a twist, still got the basics in but when you change shit around is when you find gold.

Show mutts have as good a chance as any, it's just that it is never bought out in them. Put them, or rather their pups in the right situation and give them the work and they will come to something possibly. No point condeeming them if they are untried

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Don't be so sure Ruff.

i kind of am....

I've run them all... crosses and purebreds and for the longest time i would have agreed with you...

The old man was on the rabbit board down south and he had lurchers, spaniels, terriers and mixes of all of these... and yes, for what you are doing what you run is the best, as with the old man.

But for what I do I've never seen a mutt yet that could match a top spaniel doing what it is supposed to do.

What do you do apart from sitting here?

He trains dogs for a living Wirehunt, did you not know,truth is I didnt till last week

Originally Posted by el borracho

A questioned I posed before -at what stage does a show dog that hunts gets accepted as a working dog and worth breeding to though?

Goes back to what I posted originally...

Wirehair, I don;t think you should give my posts any more credibility than I have given yours... It's just an opinion. I think it's based on something, but you'd have to take that on trust and there's no need to... just believe what you believe and don't get all mixed up over it.

Originally Posted by Pointer

Goes back to what I posted originally...

I agree... performance alone would be enough for me... at some point you need to test of there is some ability to pass on the desired traits... it is unlikely the pedigree will indicate how.