Thread: finally some common sence

pinched this but it was worth it some common sence finally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGQchcm2mpY

Goodbye steel shot? How long will that take?

Just like how Sodium is bad, Chlorine is bad, but Sodium Chloride is tasty.

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Originally Posted by Rushy

Goodbye steel shot? How long will that take?

i doubt it will but lets be honest the cockup was made at the start .
lead if banned as proven bad should have been gauge wide and use wide ie over land at gunclubs and all at the same time.
the subgauge exemptions were more about creating a money making niche for gun suppliers that in some ways worked but perhaps not in the numbers hoped.
look at the recent championing by certain sorces of thier newly imported 28 gauges??
if that had happened maybe 20 gauge non toxic would by now be much more available and excepted.
not 39 buks a boxes limited in wieghts and shot sizes and rarer than hens teeth.

"fear is easy to promote...."

Yep that's how Greenpeace make their beans

I wonder how many people actually gave up duck shooting when it changed to steel.
I stopped and haven't been since. Never used steel and won't probably duck shoot again unless it goes back to lead. But then I would have to buy another gun or use the 590 with the ghost rings and sights. Which would be interesting

I was talking to a couple of tourists from Norway about hunting and apparently they have gone back to lead from steel shot.
Perhaps @Norway can comfirm ?

Norwegian Yes-lead - The DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com

Fascinating this is my area of work after all. I must say that some of the bigger military ranges and shotgun ranges that I looked into definitely had lead escaping via local water ways. But we ate talking TONS of the stuff (millions of rounds) and has it done actual damage??? Hunting on the other hand creates such a wide dispersion of bullets and shot so there is no comparison.

I have used both lead and steel, close range with steel is devastating but further out it is crap.

Originally Posted by Pengy

Norwegian Yes-lead - The DoubleGun BBS @ doublegunshop.com

so basicly theyre gong back to what we have now sans the subgauge exemptions??
what i found most interesting was the difference in leads described ie metallic lead and what was in paint and petrol.

i doubt it will but lets be honest the cockup was made at the start .


it totaly undermined the legitamicy of their whole arguement when they let some use lead and created a market for the gun supplyers to exploit the
furore and lack of clear research..

Well that was a waste of 3.5 minutes of my life. A bunch of rifle manufacturers endorsing their own product(in an effort to maintain their current PROFIT margin). No mention at all about lead ingestion by ducks or denial of that. Totally irrelevant post.]

jesus and whose profit margin are you protecting ts
i imagine certain properties with special conditions are shitting themselves after british reports on human lead ingestion via store brought game.??
even tho its with nary a proven health impact the fact the that the steel/lead furore might effect the toff end of the sport must have certain factions checking thier marks and spencers.
waterfowling bieng the province of the lower classes after all not driven like our sport old chap.

the hardest case part is how the steel lovers point us at thier beloved research and castigate us for questioning the gaps or incoMpleteness of it.
yet this is the exact reason norway has done what it has ''THE RESEARCH IS NOT THERE''
BUT ANYTHING they dont like or doesnt fit thier view of life is fallen on like rabid dogs.
there are genuine people in both debates follow those not the snipers vested interest compromised or the outright paid.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I was talking to a couple of tourists from Norway about hunting and apparently they have gone back to lead from steel shot.
Perhaps @Norway can comfirm ?

Yes that is correct. Lead in the shape found in shot/ammunition is very stable and they can't find any extra lead in people eating game shot with lead ammunition.

There is still exceptions - waterfowl, trap ranges et.

Haven't really read up on that...

Originally Posted by Norway

Yes that is correct. Lead in the shape found in shot/ammunition is very stable and they can't find any extra lead in people eating game shot with lead ammunition.

There is still exceptions - waterfowl, trap ranges et.

Haven't really read up on that...

so basicly norway theyve gone back to what we have excepting the gunclubs.
i think the most ludicrous part of the whole thing even for those that only go to the duck shooters clay days is trap/skeet steel was never available or allowed to be used.
practise practise practise how but on birds as even if you wanted to shoot clays off your own bat you couldnt get the smaller sizes .
which would have at least enabled you [mr joe average not the high number gunners who shoot every second day] to get some idea of the different techniques lead,s etc to be a more humane effective hunter..id bet thats just as much a lot of gunners motivation against steel not so much they cant kill with it but they hate that they seem to wound much more with it.
ive met very few gunners who would/could abide inhumaneness to any animal;especially those they hunt.
. can you tell us if in norway the steel changes were all at once??

In my observation, lead pellets will encapsulate under the skin...steel will not...anyone eating a gamebird is very unlikely to eat a pellet anyway...unless one was a complete glutton...the ivories could suffer though!!!

Apparently meat is not good for you anyway...