Thread: Game bird diary for all

Originally Posted by el borracho

my friend mentioned that Taranaki region i think he said puts something like 80% of monies collected back into game back on the ground ... dont quote me but i will confirm that

Unlikely. Looking at their Operational Budget, Taranaki F&G annual expenses Exceeds their revenue and so are subsidized by other Regions.

They do spend approx $30k on the hatchery and releases, but 75% of their budget is spent on salaries, the next highest expense being buildings (lease presumably) and vehicles.

Ill check and clarify what my friend told me --who it was he was talking of

WOW .... THATS A SHIT LOAD but 75% of their budget is spent on salaries, the next highest expense being buildings (lease presumably) and vehicles.

Taranaki region is not alone. If the purchase of a Gamebird license was voluntary and people bought them based on their perception of the value that F&G provides to the species under their management, then no one would buy one and F&G would have been bankrupted years ago.

All of the above just re-affirms my belief that if we want to continue to harvest at the rate we do, then we need to put back more than what our license fee allows others to do on our behalf; be it by trapping, planting, seeding birds.... the future is in the hands of users rather than govenors.

then it's time to address the whole situation.
those govenors have ridden the coat tails of the work put in years ago for far to long.... time for them to spend what money they do have left to replenish the larder.

the larder is full of toyota hilux's. the thing is who will represent , who will have a vision and knowledge to put a plan forward .l who can pition government for farmers to alter how they clear land without a provision of the hunter in mind . modernization will be the assassin of bird shooters and the shell be right attitude the cancer of growth .i dont have the knowledge to do it but will give my vote to someone that does

Its private land, so who are we to dictate to farmers how they should operate. In NZ, the gamebird provides no incentive to landowners to manage for their benefit….quite a different situation exists in Europe where there is the incentive for landowners to manage in the interests of gamebirds and the flow-on effects to other species also.

as nz law stands about private land yes , i dont go along with the private land model personally but thats not a forum conversation . yes , farmers could be paid to be more bird hunter friendly !!

habitat preservation is the key to upland gamebird survival,shelter, food ,water for 12 months of the year, it won't work if its only for 10months. landowners should be given an information pack on the what to do,vegetation plantings etc. a good percentage of owners i think would be interested,subject to cost and labour restraints, after all enhancement does have property value benefits as well as a host of other pluses. this probably has been tried before albeit on a limited scale.what needs to happen is a movement ie.game bird new zealand???? etc.....

A slight tangent, but there was an interesting discussion last weekend at the A/W F&G meeting.....we know that for the last 10-20 years, F&G have rested on the laurels of the predecessor Acclimitisation Societies and contributed very little to the improvement of the gamebird species under their management. Now, with the declining Mallard population, there has been a ground-swell of support for proper research to understand why this has occured and to determine how to halt and ultimately reverse this decline. So we've seen $300K in cash and a further $300K in staff time committed to this research program to be spent over 3 years.

But lets put that $600K in context....in that same time period, F&G would have taken approximately $10M in gamebird licence sales.....in other words, F&G is investing a whopping 6% of their total revenue in an issue which could ultimately see 'Fish & Game' be renamed to 'Fish'...............

Plenty of farmers are retiring land, doing riparian planting, conserving tracts of native bush etc at their expense. Not necessarily to provide gamebird habitat but to protect waterways etc. The agricultural sector may well be making a profit off their land but how else is the burgeoning human population to be fed? Urban sprawl and the pollution that goes with it is as much if not more to blame for reductions in gamebird populations. Sub divisions and lifestyle blocks have chewed into what was once a rich gamebird area around our district for example.

Originally Posted by gqhoon

A slight tangent, but there was an interesting discussion last weekend at the A/W F&G meeting.....we know that for the last 10-20 years, F&G have rested on the laurels of the predecessor Acclimitisation Societies and contributed very little to the improvement of the gamebird species under their management. Now, with the declining Mallard population, there has been a ground-swell of support for proper research to understand why this has occured and to determine how to halt and ultimately reverse this decline. So we've seen $300K in cash and a further $300K in staff time committed to this research program to be spent over 3 years.

But lets put that $600K in context....in that same time period, F&G would have taken approximately $10M in gamebird licence sales.....in other words, F&G is investing a whopping 6% of their total revenue in an issue which could ultimately see 'Fish & Game' be renamed to 'Fish'...............

Not to get into details but are we talking about $10m Revenue per annum???
While the reinvestment was $600k over 3 years???
If so, that puts us well below 6%.

Sort of winds me up when you hear these thing, especially when I end up buying a gamebird licence, plus a fresh water fishing licence... What goes for what really???

oi, game bird diary you lot, take your politicking and bugger off to a new thread.

Originally Posted by hamstring

oi, game bird diary you lot, take your politicking and bugger off to a new thread.

Might just do that and add to the fishing thread I never mentioned 'polidicks' ticks