hehe i remember someguy saying the 410 was ok on geese you just lead the head like a quail
if your that good a slingshot would do you im not,
but i did use trap 7,s on night ponds to good effect on ducks .
with a great dog if i was less than bang on.
i just figured at those failing light ranges steel trap loads speed wouldnt be such a factor.
given most of the ones ive seen in both gauges[20/12] were a ounce of steel 5,s
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