Thread: no lead from 2021

and indent orders for ammo are completed at the end of the season, and all suppliers have plenty of time to get the first few pallets in time for next season.....and i'm sure i read it correctly that it is to be phased in over a few years anyway ??????

I think kwb used it as a young fella before switching to lead.

Originally Posted by kawhia

I think kwb used it as a young fella before switching to lead.

very good kawhia
the cost and availability between du and subgauge non toxic will be about the same.
still waiting on that saint of a suppliers details mike MIKE you there mike

I'm not even going to give KWB the decency of a complete response until I can interpret his diatribe. He must spend a lot of time hacking up people's responses into separate quotes.

As for Hull, they're a small player here so there may be restrictions on them. One of the suppliers I've talked to actually supplies H & F, another one, one of my good friends works for as a rep, can't get a much better source than that. As to naming them I'm not going to just so he can go annoy the shit out of them. Time will show me to be correct and arguing with a nobody on here won't achieve much.

I can understand Target Products not getting into the market. Its going to be a smaller market than it is now as most of the sub gauge guys are just going to go back to a 12 gauge. Then again you probably wouldn't have bet on them making steel target ammo but yet they do.

Originally Posted by Mike H

I'm not even going to give KWB the decency of a complete response until I can interpret his diatribe. He must spend a lot of time hacking up people's responses into separate quotes.

As for Hull, they're a small player here so there may be restrictions on them. One of the suppliers I've talked to actually supplies H & F, another one, one of my good friends works for as a rep, can't get a much better source than that. As to naming them I'm not going to just so he can go annoy the shit out of them. Time will show me to be correct and arguing with a nobody on here won't achieve much.

I can understand Target Products not getting into the market. Its going to be a smaller market than it is now as most of the sub gauge guys are just going to go back to a 12 gauge. Then again you probably wouldn't have bet on them making steel target ammo but yet they do.

There are way more reasons to use a sub-guage than just the ability to use lead. As I have said I will try non-toxic when I can actually buy it locally and i will give it a fair crack but since i dont really shoot waterfowl much at all then its really moot point. Actually It might mean more flag the sport of duck-shooting and move to other things

You would have thought that F&G would be advocating for the the majority views of its license-holders what ever that may be (however with out seeing any actual numbers the numbers I suspect like all things its been hijacked by the "squeeky wheel minority"

I really could not give a toss either way all I have ever asked is to be able to buy non toxic loads locally and only time will tell if this actually ever happens but I won't be holding my breath

Originally Posted by mikee

There are way more reasons to use a sub-guage than just the ability to use lead. As I have said I will try non-toxic when I can actually buy it locally and i will give it a fair crack but since i dont really shoot waterfowl much at all then its really moot point. Actually It might mean more flag the sport of duck-shooting and move to other things

You would have thought that F&G would be advocating for the the majority views of its license-holders what ever that may be (however with out seeing any actual numbers the numbers I suspect like all things its been hijacked by the "squeeky wheel minority"

I really could not give a toss either way all I have ever asked is to be able to buy non toxic loads locally and only time will tell if this actually ever happens but I won't be holding my breath

So whats the problem? if you only shoot upland, and the odd duck then one box of steel for the 20 wont break the bank. It really is business as usual for upland hunters who use a sub-gauge.

As for availability, if I can find 2.5 inch shells for a 16 gauge in this fair country, (in Dunedin of all places!) then I'm sure some clever cookie will bring in steel game loads for the 20. I think a few here need to untangle thy titties. It's not like you didn't see it coming, and they've given both shooters and ammo suppliers plenty of time to adapt.

As for the I don't use a 20 just so I can shoot lead, well, lets see how many sub-gauges get punted off on TM soon. And those that would give up duck shooting because they have to use steel probably weren't that keen to start with. If it was your passion you'd find a way to do it.

Originally Posted by Mike H

I'm not even going to give KWB the decency of a complete response until I can interpret his diatribe. He must spend a lot of time hacking up people's responses into separate quotes.

As for Hull, they're a small player here so there may be restrictions on them. One of the suppliers I've talked to actually supplies H & F, another one, one of my good friends works for as a rep, can't get a much better source than that. As to naming them I'm not going to just so he can go annoy the shit out of them. Time will show me to be correct and arguing with a nobody on here won't achieve much.

I can understand Target Products not getting into the market. Its going to be a smaller market than it is now as most of the sub gauge guys are just going to go back to a 12 gauge. Then again you probably wouldn't have bet on them making steel target ammo but yet they do.

no mikey I just like to dissect peoples bullshit stories piece by piece.

One of the big distributors, not a shop, said he'd bring in even one case if I wanted

it must be love mike

As for Hull, they're a small player here so there may be restrictions on them. One of the suppliers I've talked to actually supplies H & f

bullshit cough cough BULLSHIT.
ive talked to 3 separate franchise,es they have no intention of ordering any so that makes your supplier opinion redundant.

You would have thought that F&G would be advocating for the the majority views of its license-holders what ever that may be (however with out seeing any actual numbers the numbers I suspect like all things its been hijacked by the "squeeky wheel minority

you,d think so especialy after mikey and pauly got spanked for jumping the gun and not consulting their licence buyers in the first place.
but no they,ve talked csi and eastern and a few of their other shooting buddies in other regions to support them and they,ve got the numbers now.
you wont see any concrete numbers of 20 gauge users even less chance for the 16 or 28.
but ok its in but please don't bullshit us its gonna be sunshine and lolliepops

Time will show me to be correct and arguing with a nobody on here won't achieve much.

are you under the mistaken impression your somebody mike?
unfortunately mike no you just sit alongside somebody at the southland meetings

And I will add, this is coming from a guy who doesn't own a 12 bore. one 16, two 20s and a 28 bore.

Originally Posted by Pointer

And I will add, this is coming from a guy who doesn't own a 12 bore. one 16, two 20s and a 28 bore.

I don't have an issue with using it.................................. the issue I have is buying it locally. I don't want to buy a slab only a couple boxes to keep just in case, nordo I want to faf about with ordering it online and paperwork from "the boys we all love and trust" I just want to be able to go to the store buy it and I'm not even meaning cheap, hell I would quite happily buy 2-3 boxes of Bismuth ammo if I could find it

And I already know quite a few guys who have swapped ducks for geese!!

Myself Id swap ducks for clays any day. Quail and Pheasants however I will continue to chase no matter how hard it gets or how the rules change.

I'm sure it will be available. In fact, a good side business opportunity for someone?

Great thing about the 4 year weaning period is that we'll know by then if steel is available or not. If not,then we can all rush out and buy a 10 gauge I love an excuse to buy another gun...

Originally Posted by Pointer

I'm sure it will be available. In fact, a good side business opportunity for someone?

Great thing about the 4 year weaning period is that we I'll know by then if steel is available or not. If not,then we can all rush out and buy a 10 gauge I love an excuse to buy another gun...

Personally the best thing I can see it I may finally get my SxS 28ga at a reasonable price

You women that shoot sub guages just need to man up and throw your rubbish on the heap where it belongs and get 12ga and get on with it

Originally Posted by Nathan F

You women that shoot sub guages just need to man up and throw your rubbish on the heap where it belongs and get 12ga and get on with it

oh Nathan that you never grow old or frail

12 gauge is for the weak. 10 bore is a mans gun!3.5 inch 12g killed the 10g.

both are the bastard sons of the same insanity.
tho I did hear tell of a nationaly ranked presumembly well sponsored sporting shooter shooting magpies with 3.5 inch Remington nitromags in the wairarapa while we were there for the summer goose opening.

12 gauge is for the weak. 10 bore is a mans gun!

3.5 inch 12g killed the 10g.