Thread: no lead from 2021

problem is it will start with no lead for ducks near water etc and end up as a total lead ban. you have to realise the people that make laws and more importantly their advisers are fuckwits

=gonetropo;604145]problem is it will start with no lead for ducks near water etc and end up as a total lead ban. you have to realise the people that make laws and more importantly their advisers are fuckwits

think we.l be okay the sight of people shooting each other with richocheting steel while indulging in the easter bunny hunt or any other rabbit control will keep lead in the game for a while yet.
same with clay shooting
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you have to realise the people that make laws and more importantly their advisers are fuckwits

don't know that I,d characterize everyone involved in these decisions that way.
but I do feel a little tag teamed by some founding members of the reach around club fortunately not the clever ones.

Originally Posted by gonetropo

problem is it will start with no lead for ducks near water etc and end up as a total lead ban. you have to realise the people that make laws and more importantly their advisers are fuckwits

Shortly followed by lead free rifle ammo mark my words, but them we will all either adapt.............................or give up as the case may be

Originally Posted by mikee

Shortly followed by lead free rifle ammo mark my words, but them we will all either adapt.............................or give up as the case may be

Barnes

what a long winded read...but I waded right through BEFORE adding anything.
1st off target products WERE saying on web site they were bringing out lighter (1oz 7/8th oz ) .12ga loads soon and they didnt happen...... bugger they havent as they work plurry well...been there done that.
2nd steel loads sucked when we first got it..no arguments there,everyone was running scared ant the loads were simply too slow,once speeds got above 1400 fps they worked.
3rd where are the wounded ducks we are supposed to be getting with steel?????? we shoot a lake and have done so for 17 consecutive opeing weekends,this year we found only 1 single wounded bird and that was picked up by my dog,did get 1 single bird from out in the lake but in previous years going back 4 or 5 we would pick up 6-10 each and every time,our son learnt to shoot finishing off woundies from the boat using the wee .410.
4th and last if you want to shoot subguage get off your arse and start putting the hard word on local sports shop to get you in some ammo,or play nice and ask those who say they can get it...

gsp follower


yes the early slow steel loads were shite...pure and simple

a 1oz load of steel #2s going 1500fps is a good duck or goose killing load......with the right choke and within sensible range.....as is a 7/8th oz load.
(maybe not the best...for my money the 1 1/8th oz load of #2 or #3 doing 1550fps is pretty plurry hard to go past)
the light loads are plurry LOUD but kill well
been there and prooved it while getting the young fella used to the .12ga
we then went to 30 grm////// 1 1/16thoz factory loads from gamebore
not because they were better but because making reloads with a old whackamole loader takes time and not all shells resized properly so ok in the single barrel but gave issues at times in other guns.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

gsp follower


yes the early slow steel loads were shite...pure and simple

a 1oz load of steel #2s going 1500fps is a good duck or goose killing load......with the right choke and within sensible range.....as is a 7/8th oz load.
(maybe not the best...for my money the 1 1/8th oz load of #2 or #3 doing 1550fps is pretty plurry hard to go past)
the light loads are plurry LOUD but kill well
been there and prooved it while getting the young fella used to the .12ga
we then went to 30 grm////// 1 1/16thoz factory loads from gamebore
not because they were better but because making reloads with a old whackamole loader takes time and not all shells resized properly so ok in the single barrel but gave issues at times in other guns.

that loadis a cracker doesn't boot to much and is a proven killer on geese and ducks in 2 and 3,s outdoor adventure even had it in 4s to if I remember right.
.the 3 inch 20 gauge blackcloud load pure and simple is a shoulder smackin arsehole of performance in 2 shot on anything smaller than a medium sized Canada goose.
it might be ok in 4shot but believe me shooting at funny angles with it aint much fun if the 2 shot load is anything to go by.


Quote Originally Posted by berg243 View Post

they going to bring in 410 non toxic?.stopped duck shooting because of all this bullshit with the non toxic rules have seen /shot less ducks in the last few years but have seen more dead ducks lying around long ways from anyone shooting mainly because the hawks are finding the bodies.if the greenies get their way and duck shooting is stopped how are they proposing to control duck numbers as they will become a major pest within a couple of years poison maybe ?has anyone pointed this out to them.

The only exemption will be for the small bore .410 shotguns which are sometimes used by beginner hunters and for which humane non-toxic shot loads are not available.”

no the 410,s still exempt which raises more questions than it clears up.

what really fucks me right off is f&g are big on science and latest infomation to bash,[ and rightly so] certain areas, and PRACTISES IN FARMING.
but when it comes to us licence buyers 93 buks a year gets us f&g land sold to doc and a rangi bloody survey of 1,000 odd shooters from 2009 and thats considered good enough info and cause ?????
YEA FUCKIN RIGHT

When I asked a client if they preferred us using copper bullets it was a NO, seems that is worse for the ground than lead. Now I assume f&g have gotten full toxicology reports on all the metals involved in 'no toxic shot' and it complies with all the organic paperwork. If not why not? Has f&g even thought about this?
Walk onto the wrong property with something non-compliant and watch them start jumping, they spend a truckload of cash getting that bit of paper and keeping it. -Be a shame if they came after f&g-

I catch anyone out rabbiting with me and the dogs using steel and they will probably find their flash gun;
A: Wrapped around their head.
B: Having a new extension out of their arse.
C: A combination of A and B unless I had a flash and thought of something even better to do with said gun.

3" 20 guage is a bit of a hard case...sort of like the 3.5" roman candles in the .12ga
you push a big payload out of small bore and its going to hurt,either of those shells with smaller payload wont boot the same.
push a 1oz load out of either and it will be mild...up the .20ga to 1 1/4 and you starting to ask a falcon to fit into a minis parking space,the payload will be longer and harder to get moving as it has to squeeze its way through.
push a 3/4 oz load at 1300fps out of ANY of the guages with same weight shotgun and felt recoil SHOULD be similar the pattern board would be interesting.
trouble is and always has been when you get lightweight gun and feed it heavy loads.

trouble is and always has been when you get lightweight gun and feed it heavy loads

Remington wouldn't know lightweight if it bit them on the arse but even so you feel the buggers

...up the .20ga to 1 1/4 and you starting to ask a falcon to fit into a minis parking space,the payload will be longer and harder to get moving as it has to squeeze its way through.

i,ve shot a lot of the Winchester 20g 3 inch 36 gram copper plated 4s and 3 inch fiocchi 2,s
believe me the bc 3 inch steel load makes these look like pussys in the felt recoil stakes only unfortunately.
I,l try any load they bring if its available in useful shot sizes I hope I'm wrong but my gripe is I doubt we,l get the choice we get in 20 g lead or 12 steel I doubt we,l get f all choice to be honest.

mate if you want a real tooth loosener...try some rem hypersonics (preferably in a shotgun you dont own) faaaark those puppies are naaaaasty. used up the half box I was given and never ever again. they were fed through my pump which was a heavy bitch to begin with and Ive added nearly another lb to that to help dampen recoil. I had 3 or 4 times where I short stroked action....or maybe the shells got shook up so much they didnt feed????? I would hate to think what they would be like in a light single barrel break open gun.
the winchester XPert loads are a nice load and I was stoked to find them at reasonable price this season.

funny you should mention hypersonic someone offered a case of them in 12 g 2 shot for 300 buks said maybe I could move them on to some goose hunters or the nzgbh.
guess I know why.
my worst recoil experiences was the 375 h&h a snider carbine and a 28 inch barrelled 3.5 inch chambered extrema with mammoth 2 ounce loads.
the h&h pushed, the snider lifted you up and said back the fuck up ,the 2 ouncers literaly hammered you dizzy and made reconsider you life choices,.
firing 3 rounds left me curled up in the dirt in the foetal position crying for my mum

if I remember rightly mikee could give you an idea of the 20 g blackcloud loads behaveior out of an o/u

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Originally Posted by gsp follower

if I remember rightly mikee could give you an idea of the 20 g blackcloud loads behaveior out of an o/u

Um yes and I gave them away to someone. Booot was an understatement

Originally Posted by mikee

Um yes and I gave them away to someone. Booot was an understatement

some poor unsuspecting hick from the Canterbury plains
I went and brought more mikee cos it was the only steel available and was told I needed it for the lake last year.
but that's been sorted and doc are gonna follow f&g rules now til its phased out I guess.
the rem 870 in 20 is no lightweight but some overhead shots with the blackcloud had me thinkin I was shooting 10 gauge out of a tooth pick.
I'm askin the distributor about prarrie cloud fs steel it comes in a 7/8 ounce load of 3s or 4s sounds more accomadating than the heavier black cloud load