Thread: no lead from 2021

i have a bit of federal steel in stock, there is a few options if you want to try some.

20 gauge?? what options mate?

The 200m rule may sound like an odd exemption, but it does allow, for instance, hunting waterfowl over paddocks with lead. The Government originally proposed that ALL lead shot be banned for all activities, including ALL upland gamebird hunting, ALL clay target shooting and ALL farm pest control. Fish & Game was successful in having this extreme requirement softened.
The 200m rule recognises that lead is not a problem away from waterways. Equally, the smaller number of shotguns of gauges "less than 12" are not a statistically important factor in waterfowl poisoning by lead shot. Black powder exemptions are even fewer in number. Black powder burns through shotgun wads so it's not really practical to force non* toxic shot upon these shooters when plastic wads are essential to protect bores from most types of non-toxic shot.
While the 200m rule could be criticised, no one has yet thought up a better rule to fit the circumstances. A complete ban on ALL lead shot is very easy to understand. This is the alternative that was proposed. The concessions have been hard fought for to allow for paddock shooting of ducks and parries especially. Please respect them or we may all find that the original proposal to ban all lead shot may be introduced.
For more information, please read our Toxic Shot Regulations FAQ.

the hypocrisy is unreal this is still on f&gs website
but this was harder to find

I use a 20 gauge shotgun. How long can I continue hunting ducks with it?


The simple answer is for as long as you like. *If you hunt waterfowl over open water, you will have to use non-toxic shot from 2021. The new rules will be phased in over four years to give game bird licence holders with sub-gauge shotguns like 20 gauges time to get accustomed to the change and make the transition to non-toxic shot. *For the first two seasons – 2018 and 2019 – hunters can use up their existing stocks of sub-gauge lead ammunition. *In 2020, if they are hunting waterfowl on Department of Conservation or Fish & Game controlled land, they will have to use non-toxic shot and nothing else. *From 2021, non-toxic shot will be required for waterfowl hunting over open water in all shotguns except the .410 on all lands, public and private.

My ducks have a fluffy little tail....if they sprout wings ..oh well


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gsp follower wrote "same bullshit different idiots"

Perhaps "same idiots, different bullshit" ...

The question, I would like to ask is, what do we do with our 20g lead ammo ... dig a nice little hole and bury it ... get a refund ... use it all up
shooting clays???

Of course, steel is worse than any lead pellet ... lead pellets are often encapsulated under the skin, steel will bring about gangrene in time ...

Yeah, go ahead and reinvent the frecking wheel ... the wheels on the bus go round and round ... scream like noise ...!!!!

Originally Posted by EeeBees

gsp follower wrote "same bullshit different idiots"

Perhaps "same idiots, different bullshit" ...

The question, I would like to ask is, what do we do with our 20g lead ammo ... dig a nice little hole and bury it ... get a refund ... use it all up
shooting clays???

Of course, steel is worse than any lead pellet ... lead pellets are often encapsulated under the skin, steel will bring about gangrene in time ...

Yeah, go ahead and reinvent the frecking wheel ... the wheels on the bus go round and round ... scream like noise ...!!!!

You could always use it on wabbits, hares and such. Oh and Geese since they are no longer a game-bird. I may be wrong but I thought the ban was only applied when hunting waterfowl? So we can still use it for upland hunting?

What load would you need for a 20g on Canada geese ...?? I know, silly question ...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

What load would you need for a 20g on Canada geese ...?? I know, silly question ...

not at all silly EeBees
in steel the 3 inch black cloud 2,s are the only real option if you can get them.
but in lead i use gamebore 2 3/4 inch 30 gram 4,s and or 3,s for close decoying birds with the fiochhi 30 gram load of two,s for the last load or two in the gun.
i used to use the 3 inch fiochhi 36 gram load in 2,s but found it unneccessary mostly, not to mention cheek rattling.
pass shooting geese hell yes the 3 inchers takes up spot 3,4,5, in the mag with 1,and 2, filled by the 2 3/4 inch 30 gram 2,s with a modified choke for all goose hunting.
unfortunatly pass shooting geese flighting off the river to stubble fields is pretty much fucked.
thanks to constant pressure and greatly reduced goose numbers the birds wont even land in the paddock the want to feed in.
but stage in paddocks a bit away from them and watch till dark almost for any danger signs and if they see dekes ''forget about it''

Originally Posted by EeeBees

What load would you need for a 20g on Canada geese ...?? I know, silly question ...

4-5 shot works for me. The 20 is my sons gun but I have to buy the ammo and have not seen larger shot than 4,5 and 6 in stores locally.

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Eeebees it is with a great deal of regret that I must inform you that we live in a modern over politically corrected world brought about by an ever increasing number of bunny loving, tree hugging, namby pamby, trendy lefty liberals that have decided that is to all of our benefit for society to dumb down and soften our approach to all things fun. We can either yield to the idiotic changes these uber twats impose or flip them the bird and advise them that we have completely run out of shits to give. Shoot your lead with gay abandon chick and all power to your right arm as you do. From this we will now breed a following which will result in a NZHS lead only gathering where we will just shoot the living hell out of anything we choose and collectively say "to hell with these twatish morons.

Thank you, Rushy ... I feel better now!!! How did people get to be so damn dumb ...

ive managed to get 8 boxes of the 1500 ft per sec 7/8 ounce federal upland steel load in 3,s and 4,s respectively.
took over 6 months but its here thank christ 39 buks a pkt and hope fuly the early parrie opening will give me some insight into its efficacy.

Ban all lead and list em as pests as per the geese.....then I can shoot them with gmx or barnes

Ill be bringing out my hammergun which can only handle black powder, as it seems I can get an exemption. Will just have to organise a spotter to tell me if I hit them.

As for dumb down @EeeBees @Rushy well I guess we reap what we sow they just breed faster