Thread: no lead from 2021

trouble is and always has been when you get lightweight gun and feed it heavy loads

Remington wouldn't know lightweight if it bit them on the arse but even so you feel the buggers

...up the .20ga to 1 1/4 and you starting to ask a falcon to fit into a minis parking space,the payload will be longer and harder to get moving as it has to squeeze its way through.

i,ve shot a lot of the Winchester 20g 3 inch 36 gram copper plated 4s and 3 inch fiocchi 2,s
believe me the bc 3 inch steel load makes these look like pussys in the felt recoil stakes only unfortunately.
I,l try any load they bring if its available in useful shot sizes I hope I'm wrong but my gripe is I doubt we,l get the choice we get in 20 g lead or 12 steel I doubt we,l get f all choice to be honest.

mate if you want a real tooth loosener...try some rem hypersonics (preferably in a shotgun you dont own) faaaark those puppies are naaaaasty. used up the half box I was given and never ever again. they were fed through my pump which was a heavy bitch to begin with and Ive added nearly another lb to that to help dampen recoil. I had 3 or 4 times where I short stroked action....or maybe the shells got shook up so much they didnt feed????? I would hate to think what they would be like in a light single barrel break open gun.
the winchester XPert loads are a nice load and I was stoked to find them at reasonable price this season.

funny you should mention hypersonic someone offered a case of them in 12 g 2 shot for 300 buks said maybe I could move them on to some goose hunters or the nzgbh.
guess I know why.
my worst recoil experiences was the 375 h&h a snider carbine and a 28 inch barrelled 3.5 inch chambered extrema with mammoth 2 ounce loads.
the h&h pushed, the snider lifted you up and said back the fuck up ,the 2 ouncers literaly hammered you dizzy and made reconsider you life choices,.
firing 3 rounds left me curled up in the dirt in the foetal position crying for my mum

if I remember rightly mikee could give you an idea of the 20 g blackcloud loads behaveior out of an o/u

Daniel Friedman <daniel@sportways.co.nz>


Hi Kevin,



Thanks for the enquiry, we currently don’t have anything in stock. If you have a look at the Federal website we could bring in anything that is currently available. Let me know what you are after and I can get some pricing to your local dealer to quote you.

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helpful emough chap. hopefuly no minimum order required

Originally Posted by gsp follower

if I remember rightly mikee could give you an idea of the 20 g blackcloud loads behaveior out of an o/u

Um yes and I gave them away to someone. Booot was an understatement

Originally Posted by mikee

Um yes and I gave them away to someone. Booot was an understatement

some poor unsuspecting hick from the Canterbury plains
I went and brought more mikee cos it was the only steel available and was told I needed it for the lake last year.
but that's been sorted and doc are gonna follow f&g rules now til its phased out I guess.
the rem 870 in 20 is no lightweight but some overhead shots with the blackcloud had me thinkin I was shooting 10 gauge out of a tooth pick.
I'm askin the distributor about prarrie cloud fs steel it comes in a 7/8 ounce load of 3s or 4s sounds more accomadating than the heavier black cloud load

I'm askin the distributor about prarrie cloud fs steel it comes in a 7/8 ounce load of 3s or 4s sounds more accomadating than the heavier black cloud load]

sorry that should read prarie storm theres a game and target steel 2 3/4 inch load that should be interesting for decoying ducks pidgeons whatever depending on price.
quoted about 39 buks a box for the prarie storm upland steel load plus maybe some freight 29 for thw 2 3/4 load.which comes in 6s or 7s.
maybe have some by January next year more like febuary maybe

bloody f&g nz council twat says sportways doistributors got some now.?
NO THEY BLOODY AINT MR ROOD NOT A FRICKEN ROUND

Originally Posted by gsp follower

bloody f&g nz council twat says sportways doistributors got some now.?
NO THEY BLOODY AINT MR ROOD NOT A FRICKEN ROUND

They did until I brought it all lol.

Originally Posted by Mike H

They did until I brought it all lol.

now i know your fibbing ive heard your as tight as a fishs arse and thats water tight.
they never had any mike h ..

i have a bit of federal steel in stock, there is a few options if you want to try some.

20 gauge?? what options mate?

The 200m rule may sound like an odd exemption, but it does allow, for instance, hunting waterfowl over paddocks with lead. The Government originally proposed that ALL lead shot be banned for all activities, including ALL upland gamebird hunting, ALL clay target shooting and ALL farm pest control. Fish & Game was successful in having this extreme requirement softened.
The 200m rule recognises that lead is not a problem away from waterways. Equally, the smaller number of shotguns of gauges "less than 12" are not a statistically important factor in waterfowl poisoning by lead shot. Black powder exemptions are even fewer in number. Black powder burns through shotgun wads so it's not really practical to force non* toxic shot upon these shooters when plastic wads are essential to protect bores from most types of non-toxic shot.
While the 200m rule could be criticised, no one has yet thought up a better rule to fit the circumstances. A complete ban on ALL lead shot is very easy to understand. This is the alternative that was proposed. The concessions have been hard fought for to allow for paddock shooting of ducks and parries especially. Please respect them or we may all find that the original proposal to ban all lead shot may be introduced.
For more information, please read our Toxic Shot Regulations FAQ.

the hypocrisy is unreal this is still on f&gs website
but this was harder to find

I use a 20 gauge shotgun. How long can I continue hunting ducks with it?


The simple answer is for as long as you like. *If you hunt waterfowl over open water, you will have to use non-toxic shot from 2021. The new rules will be phased in over four years to give game bird licence holders with sub-gauge shotguns like 20 gauges time to get accustomed to the change and make the transition to non-toxic shot. *For the first two seasons – 2018 and 2019 – hunters can use up their existing stocks of sub-gauge lead ammunition. *In 2020, if they are hunting waterfowl on Department of Conservation or Fish & Game controlled land, they will have to use non-toxic shot and nothing else. *From 2021, non-toxic shot will be required for waterfowl hunting over open water in all shotguns except the .410 on all lands, public and private.

My ducks have a fluffy little tail....if they sprout wings ..oh well


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gsp follower wrote "same bullshit different idiots"

Perhaps "same idiots, different bullshit" ...

The question, I would like to ask is, what do we do with our 20g lead ammo ... dig a nice little hole and bury it ... get a refund ... use it all up
shooting clays???

Of course, steel is worse than any lead pellet ... lead pellets are often encapsulated under the skin, steel will bring about gangrene in time ...

Yeah, go ahead and reinvent the frecking wheel ... the wheels on the bus go round and round ... scream like noise ...!!!!