Thread: Is that a pukeko or a Takahe Oooops!

Originally Posted by timattalon

If this mortality is the case, then have they or not confirmed whether the birds were shot or simply found dead? Would the noise of shotguns be enough to stress them out to a fatal extent? Autopsies? If this is the case then perhaps they will need to consider a more delicate approach to pukeko control...

Until we hear the full detailed report then all things are possible timattalon.

I believe the first thing I read about it said shotgun pellets found in birds, I will try and find it. Could still be sensationalism though

They were found with shotgun pellets inside them.

DOC confirmed this morning an examination of the dead birds on the island sanctuary early this week showed they were killed by shotgun pellets.

FFS IQ levels have dropped recently. DOC confirms it, NZDA confirms it. How hard is it to understand ?????

[QUOTEDOC confirmed this morning an examination of the dead birds on the island sanctuary early this week showed they were killed by shotgun pellets][/QUOTE]
you cant get much past those doc boys
except maybe common sence the truth and political nuetrality

is it a possible set-up?
It seems very fishy to me that official NZDA hunters did deliberately not report a mistake immediately,

you,ve obviously never heartd of stompers woody

You know what? I'm with @Toby. Regardless of what we do now, the damage is done. 250 birds is not a viable population. I hope they stuff those Takahe carcasses so my grandchildren can see what we wasted so much money on. Basic population genetics would tell you that even with an even sex split and the Takehe's generational interval producing a couple of eggs a year means it's buggered anyways. A lot of running around introducing birds from different reserves to maintain diversity only to have it all wiped out by disease

Causally give you a like for agreeing with me

Originally Posted by Pointer

You know what? I'm with @Toby. Regardless of what we do now, the damage is done. 250 birds is not a viable population. I hope they stuff those Takahe carcasses so my grandchildren can see what we wasted so much money on. Basic population genetics would tell you that even with an even sex split and the Takehe's generational interval producing a couple of eggs a year means it's buggered anyways. A lot of running around introducing birds from different reserves to maintain diversity only to have it all wiped out by disease

The IWI probably got them to make a cloak

Originally Posted by Pointer

You know what? I'm with @Toby. Regardless of what we do now, the damage is done. 250 birds is not a viable population. I hope they stuff those Takahe carcasses so my grandchildren can see what we wasted so much money on. Basic population genetics would tell you that even with an even sex split and the Takehe's generational interval producing a couple of eggs a year means it's buggered anyways. A lot of running around introducing birds from different reserves to maintain diversity only to have it all wiped out by disease

Didn't we get down to just a couple of Robins at one stage? And they have bounced back?

And wasn't it the same with Jersey cows at one time Dundee, and there must be at least a hundred or so of them now aren't there?

Originally Posted by Tahr

Didn't we get down to just a couple of Robins at one stage? And they have bounced back?

And wasn't it the same with Jersey cows at one time Dundee, and there must be at least a hundred or so of them now aren't there?

Unfortunately we will not have a 100 cow herd this year Tahr But I do have a dead Takahe on the deck tonight. I will get a pic tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Didn't we get down to just a couple of Robins at one stage? And they have bounced back?

If you mean the black Robin, then no. They are confined to two small islands and are less in number than the Takahe. Still better than the 7 they started with and a fantastic example of conservation but they are hardly out of the woods yet so to speak

Doinit, don't think the media shot the birds!!! I think, yes I do work for the media TV in particular, and why does everyone blame the media for just reporting a story?
And yes in this case a good story of another failed DOC escapade. I know you can 'spin' it many ways but the actual facts are just that, DOC employees, contractors, friends, whatever shot those birds under their guidance.
I just hope some one, maybe twig & tweet brigade and their multitude of Wellington lobbyists will take to court. Cannot see to much difference between this and Sonny Tau myself.

Sonny didn't accidentally put the birds in his pocket, he had intent, whereas DOC and NZDA have admitted it was a mistake.

What hasn't been released by both parties yet is the experience of the shooters involved for the environment that was required, however NZDA did state they've worked successfully with DOC for years on pest eradication. Just not this time.

Originally Posted by Pointer

You know what? I'm with @Toby. Regardless of what we do now, the damage is done. 250 birds is not a viable population. I hope they stuff those Takahe carcasses so my grandchildren can see what we wasted so much money on. Basic population genetics would tell you that even with an even sex split and the Takehe's generational interval producing a couple of eggs a year means it's buggered anyways. A lot of running around introducing birds from different reserves to maintain diversity only to have it all wiped out by disease

not a believer in the each species loss diminishes us ''pointer??
imagine doc if moa still existed ? there,d be all the excuses in the world for the damage they,d cause erosion forest stripping because they wouldnt dare cull them. any control would involve weeks of iwi consultation and heaps of dough.
no gunships no 1080 personaly id put sonny tau on a fast for a month then turn him loose on the pesky moa.

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Originally Posted by gsp follower

not a believer in the each species loss diminishes us "pointer??

Frankly, no. I forget the percentage, but it is something like all the species alive at this point today are only 1% of all species that have ever existed on this planet. Extinction happens, and often for the smallest of reasons. Keeping a fat flightless pukeko alive with oodles of dosh when our own species needs all the help it can get astounds me.
I know the above statement has probably offended every kiwi who reads this so I may as well go balls deep.

Speaking of kiwis, at their present rate of decline despite our efforts they have 40 years. Sobering? Yep. Our current conservation model is as unsustainable as the species they are trying to save