Thread: Is that a pukeko or a Takahe Oooops!

Originally Posted by Woody

I don't blame you. be careful though cos I'm a 1080 terrorist "person of interest". Buggered if I know why though

Goes to show how screwed up the cops are if your a " person of interest" obviously they haven't travelled far in a car with you!

Grass grubs laced with 1080?

They were found with shotgun pellets inside them.

DOC confirmed this morning an examination of the dead birds on the island sanctuary early this week showed they were killed by shotgun pellets.

FFS IQ levels have dropped recently. DOC confirms it, NZDA confirms it. How hard is it to understand ?????

[QUOTEDOC confirmed this morning an examination of the dead birds on the island sanctuary early this week showed they were killed by shotgun pellets][/QUOTE]
you cant get much past those doc boys
except maybe common sence the truth and political nuetrality

is it a possible set-up?
It seems very fishy to me that official NZDA hunters did deliberately not report a mistake immediately,

you,ve obviously never heartd of stompers woody

Originally Posted by gsp follower

[QUOTEDOC confirmed this morning an examination of the dead birds on the island sanctuary early this week showed they were killed by shotgun pellets]

you cant get much past those doc boys
except maybe common sence the truth and political nuetrality


you,ve obviously never heartd of stompers woody[/QUOTE]

The unofficial definition of "Stompers' happens to be that they are first required to be smaller than your boot. Therefore Takahe don't qualify.

Climate change-global warming- the coming ice age- whatever;- the major changes which are cyclically altering the environmental characteristics which shaped the evolution of our present NZ ecosystem will have major effects on the less adaptable species and create opportunities for new varieties to adapt. This includes vegetation, stream temperatures, runoff, erosion rates, leaf litter decomposition rates, food chain, food type and availability. The economics and forms of energy necessary to make life comfortable for humans is changing; it has to; because the existing forms we create are fast becoming too expensive and or the resources required are finite, while we continue to breed like maggots. In the meantime and concurrently we have to farm crops, meat, milk, wool, etc more efficiently from the finite arable land and probably diminishing climate resources.

The forests offer far greater potential to us as hunters and fishermen, foresters and engineers, than any Takahe or Blue Wattled Crow and IMHO that Forest and Mountain resource should be recognised and managed for what IT IS AND CAN BE; rather than regarded by extreme greens as a tree huggers prayer room. I do not believe the ecosystem will collapse if Takahe vanish. However the basic infrastructure from microbes through to the ungulates are integral to managing the whole for a far greater potential benefit than the government recognises.

I do not wish to see more viable forests destroyed for farm or urban use, but believe as a Forester that our existing forests should be expanded , diversified and managed to realise their full potential as both a spiritual/ recreational as well as economically recognised massive resource. Inherent in this are the landforms and waterways and an inherent right for all New Zealanders to have access.

I'd better stop or will start a book.

what i wonder is who they,re saving them for??
is it a sop to the preservationists or a real effort to save a unique and important species or fighting a losing battle with a ultimatly unsuited anachronism ??
should the public have a say in if the taxpayer funds it??and are we willing to give up some of our own domestic and wild species to have these endangered ones become widespread and safe again??

You know what? I'm with @Toby. Regardless of what we do now, the damage is done. 250 birds is not a viable population. I hope they stuff those Takahe carcasses so my grandchildren can see what we wasted so much money on. Basic population genetics would tell you that even with an even sex split and the Takehe's generational interval producing a couple of eggs a year means it's buggered anyways. A lot of running around introducing birds from different reserves to maintain diversity only to have it all wiped out by disease

Originally Posted by Pointer

You know what? I'm with @Toby. Regardless of what we do now, the damage is done. 250 birds is not a viable population. I hope they stuff those Takahe carcasses so my grandchildren can see what we wasted so much money on. Basic population genetics would tell you that even with an even sex split and the Takehe's generational interval producing a couple of eggs a year means it's buggered anyways. A lot of running around introducing birds from different reserves to maintain diversity only to have it all wiped out by disease

The IWI probably got them to make a cloak

Originally Posted by Pointer

You know what? I'm with @Toby. Regardless of what we do now, the damage is done. 250 birds is not a viable population. I hope they stuff those Takahe carcasses so my grandchildren can see what we wasted so much money on. Basic population genetics would tell you that even with an even sex split and the Takehe's generational interval producing a couple of eggs a year means it's buggered anyways. A lot of running around introducing birds from different reserves to maintain diversity only to have it all wiped out by disease

Didn't we get down to just a couple of Robins at one stage? And they have bounced back?

And wasn't it the same with Jersey cows at one time Dundee, and there must be at least a hundred or so of them now aren't there?

Originally Posted by Tahr

Didn't we get down to just a couple of Robins at one stage? And they have bounced back?

And wasn't it the same with Jersey cows at one time Dundee, and there must be at least a hundred or so of them now aren't there?

Unfortunately we will not have a 100 cow herd this year Tahr But I do have a dead Takahe on the deck tonight. I will get a pic tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Didn't we get down to just a couple of Robins at one stage? And they have bounced back?

If you mean the black Robin, then no. They are confined to two small islands and are less in number than the Takahe. Still better than the 7 they started with and a fantastic example of conservation but they are hardly out of the woods yet so to speak

Originally Posted by Pointer

You know what? I'm with @Toby. Regardless of what we do now, the damage is done. 250 birds is not a viable population. I hope they stuff those Takahe carcasses so my grandchildren can see what we wasted so much money on. Basic population genetics would tell you that even with an even sex split and the Takehe's generational interval producing a couple of eggs a year means it's buggered anyways. A lot of running around introducing birds from different reserves to maintain diversity only to have it all wiped out by disease

not a believer in the each species loss diminishes us ''pointer??
imagine doc if moa still existed ? there,d be all the excuses in the world for the damage they,d cause erosion forest stripping because they wouldnt dare cull them. any control would involve weeks of iwi consultation and heaps of dough.
no gunships no 1080 personaly id put sonny tau on a fast for a month then turn him loose on the pesky moa.

Originally Posted by gsp follower

not a believer in the each species loss diminishes us "pointer??

Frankly, no. I forget the percentage, but it is something like all the species alive at this point today are only 1% of all species that have ever existed on this planet. Extinction happens, and often for the smallest of reasons. Keeping a fat flightless pukeko alive with oodles of dosh when our own species needs all the help it can get astounds me.
I know the above statement has probably offended every kiwi who reads this so I may as well go balls deep.

Speaking of kiwis, at their present rate of decline despite our efforts they have 40 years. Sobering? Yep. Our current conservation model is as unsustainable as the species they are trying to save

Originally Posted by Pointer

Frankly, no. I forget the percentage, but it is something like all the species alive at this point today are only 1% of all species that have ever existed on this planet. Extinction happens, and often for the smallest of reasons. Keeping a fat flightless pukeko alive with oodles of dosh when our own species needs all the help it can get astounds me.
I know the above statement has probably offended every kiwi who reads this so I may as well go balls deep.

Speaking of kiwis, at their present rate of decline despite our efforts they have 40 years. Sobering? Yep. Our current conservation model is as unsustainable as the species they are trying to save

not neccessarily pointer i speak as one who thought the kaimanawa horses could eat or crap on the dozy little bollock moss who 99.9%of us will never see or want to, or whatever the excuse for knockin the shite out of them was.
its interesting if something cant handle the enviroment as it exists today given intence predator and competition control methods we have now.
does it deserve to be artificially allowed to prosper in isolation where one desease outbreak or a storm could end it all. ??