Thread: Is that a pukeko or a Takahe Oooops!

Now there are kea being damaged...oh dear...

Originally Posted by EeeBees

Now there are kea being damaged...oh dear...

And we know who

I sent a request to several MP's and Ministers a few days ago requesting them to describe to me the course of action required to enforce and prosecute the rules of integrity contained in the Cabinet Manual, and also the codes of conduct for public servants. These rules state that public servants are not allowed to lie or give misleading statements to public and to Ministers.

So far, I have had no answers to my question.

Tussock, we cannot turn our backs. It would be like shutting your eyes and turning your back when confronted by an adder or hyena. Somehow New Zealanders must recognise our problem /s and then deal with it. The tolerance of governments to bullying and attempted takeovers by some factions, of our Forest Parks, exotic forests and other wild areas when the rest of us are then deliberately excluded from access and OUR traditional food gathering and fishing has now reached intolerable levels for most of us. The Takahe incident is very convenient isn't it.

Originally Posted by Woody

The Takahe incident is very convenient isn't it.

Are you suggesting it was orchestrated?

Originally Posted by Woody

I sent a request to several MP's and Ministers a few days ago requesting them to describe to me the course of action required to enforce and prosecute the rules of integrity contained in the Cabinet Manual, and also the codes of conduct for public servants. These rules state that public servants are not allowed to lie or give misleading statements to public and to Ministers.

So far, I have had no answers to my question.

I know you think this is democracy in action, but it's pointless even with an OIA request.

Tussock, we cannot turn our backs. It would be like shutting your eyes and turning your back when confronted by an adder or hyena. Somehow New Zealanders must recognise our problem /s and then deal with it. The tolerance of governments to bullying and attempted takeovers by some factions, of our Forest Parks, exotic forests and other wild areas when the rest of us are then deliberately excluded from access and OUR traditional food gathering and fishing has now reached intolerable levels for most of us. The Takahe incident is very convenient isn't it.

Don't confuse dumb luck with a conspiracy you'd be surprised just how inept people can be.

Traditional food gathering ?

Originally Posted by madds

Deerstalkers hunt big brown animals that don't fly.
Game bird shooters including Game bird clubs and F&G hunt flying game birds and make it their aim to be able to identify different types of bird.
Yet another DOC cock up, where does it stop?!!!

I agree. Even though some NZDA members are bird and clay target shooters wouldn't it have made more sense for DOC to ask a Game bird club for their best and most experienced game bird shooters to participate in the cull instead DA members? I know that in my local NZDA among those that shoot birds most wouldn't have the experience to make the split second decision to tell a cock pheasant from a hen in flight etc. Even so, in this case, in flight means just that, in the air. Cowboys on the loose.

Watch out next roar good people, we have NZDA members out there who seem to be a little trigger happy or are just plain stupid.

I bet they don't taste any better.

Originally Posted by Tussock

You can turn your back on them. I personally think they are not worth acknowledging, and with a bit of concerted effort by a reasonable sized group, then within the bounds of the law they could simply be left behind.

Many others besides myself want to see the liars and spin doctors who are paid from taxpayers funds sacked. Accountability of these leeches is well overdue.

I am sure they will then get the point Kscott. And yes, I have fed my family on wild foods and my parents before me and before them, my grand parents and great grandparents. Of course we have traditional food gathering and as far as we are concerned, we have customary rights just as much as any other New Zealander.

DoC and government better respect this if they want any respect in return.

Originally Posted by Moutere

Are you suggesting it was orchestrated?

It might as well have been.

Originally Posted by Woody

It might as well have been.

That sounds more like political spin than a straight answer.

Actually Tussock there are plenty of hunting groups out there that are looking after huts, repairing, upgrading, painting, etc, who do think did up the Growler hut? Built the Godley?
Plenty of NZDA branches doing trapping programs.

The Canterbury Jetboat assn look after two huts that DOC we're going to knock down.

Permolat do a lot of voluntary work in this area too

I can see your point Tussock, particularly the last line. I spent two years searching out two old NZFS culler hut sites and the old tracks from them into the heart of the Whirinaki with a view to taking some young people back into those areas to hunt. Now the area is to again be poisoned with 1080 by the TB Free / AHB even though there are no farms within miles. My plans to help myself and others this coming spring have come to naught, and it is not the first time this has happened to me and others. Local further North are incensed and are now seeking not only a 1080 ban, but also exclusive rights to the north sections.
In another instance, I opened a track into a part of the central Kaimanawa. Being nearly 70 I applied to DoC for permission to have food air dropped once I had opened up to 4 hours in, so I could carry on without the severe impediment of carrying heavy weight on the old knees. The official decision was NO, because a supply air drop was considered the same as landing an aircraft, which was not permitted in the area I was opening up. I feel I have invested a lot of wasted time, effort and energy, not to mention the pain.
Guess when they will poison this area again?

I guess we are getting a bit off the subject of Takahe and Pukeko. Sorry.
Incidentally, we shoot and eat a lot of Pukeko and it is very nice. Pukeko soup is just as nice as chicken soup.

DOC ask for firearms suspension for takahe killers - National - NZ Herald News

Originally Posted by Tommy

DOC ask for firearms suspension for takahe killers - National - NZ Herald News

Good luck with that. As far as i can tell, they've committed no offence under the Arms Act. The 7 Basic Rules aren't legislation, and the only one of them that it is a direct offence to break is the drugs/alcohol one. They appear to have committed an offence under the Wildlife Act, and since it was part of an organised NZDA activity, their liability insurance should kick in to cover the hefty fine.

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