Thread: Submission regarding fish and game

https://www.doc.govt.nz/get-involved...fish-and-game/

I think it is important we send as many submissions as possible.
I am not sure what the whole story is behind the back doors.

But I guess fish and game should keep its curent statutory status .
I believe a new CEO wants to have everything centralised in Wellington, but would it be not better to keep everything regional ie each area with its own specificity?
I hope Sage will be gone by September , because anything she is involved in is a disaster.
It seems that there is a desir to put f and g under the Doc umbrella.
I am already not that keen on a lot of the work of the top brass from Doc , so if it is to f.ck fish and game as well, I would really not be too keen on that either.

But maybe done on the forum have better insight ?

BeJeezzus - don't piss about, submissions close 31 August . . .

Fuck F&G NZ, they sooner they are gone the better.
For the last ten years all they've done is take license holders funds and use them to bag NZ farmers.
Their dirty dairy campaign was dishonest and self serving.
RIP, they won't be missed.

So what alternative do you suggest to manage wetland, duck shooting and trout fishing?
Who is going to sue the dirty Chinese dairy factories?

Originally Posted by duckdog

Fuck F&G NZ, they sooner they are gone the better.
For the last ten years all they've done is take license holders funds and use them to bag NZ farmers.
Their dirty dairy campaign was dishonest and self serving.
RIP, they won't be missed.

How was it dishonest ?

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

How was it dishonest ?

However Fish and Game director Martin Taylor said the report was well overdue and confirmed that dairying was a non-sustainable industry.
"Fonterra knows it's lost its social licence to operate and is desperate to regain it. But it is also singlehandedly destroying our clean, green image and undermining the efforts of other exporters."

I don't know much of the politics of the top brass on one side of the other.
But when I talk to some of the guys who are on the ground and working on the rivers everyday and see the kind of shit ( litteraly) that they see poured in some streams , I am happy to pay what I pay for my duck shooting and fishing licence and if they were not there to report and act on that crap ,who else would?
And I m not here to bash the hard working farmers, I love my dairy and my meat.

Originally Posted by Friwi

I don't know much of the politics of the top brass on one side of the other.
But when I talk to some of the guys who are on the ground and working on the rivers everyday and see the kind of shit ( litteraly) that they see poured in some streams , I am happy to pay what I pay for my duck shooting and fishing licence and if they were not there to report and act on that crap ,who else would?
And I m not here to bash the hard working farmers, I love my dairy and my meat.

me three
problem is some farmers arent pulling thier wieght and others consider a attack on them is a attack on all.
towns cities play thier part to
but theres no bigger sector in the area of fish and game responcibility than farmers
they are adjacent to where ducks and fish and other gamebirds habitat is and most water runs thru them past them or near them
hell their places are habitat.
i will say this of f&g they stood up for areas that doc didnt care about
unless it had a lesser spotted tit or longtailed bum fern doc stood with the govt

@Friwi have a read of this it will save us from covering the same old ground https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....ploding-60516/

I'm no fan of Fish & Game but see this for what it is, a power grab by the Chief Executive to move F&G NZ into the Conservation Dept.

The Chief Executive of Fish & Game is a career bureaucrat with strong links to Labour. He has a Masters in Political Science & Government with no apparent background in the wildlife sector https://www.linkedin.com/in/martin-taylor-1b497268/

A letter, from a Fish & Game “staff collective” is understood to be signed by the vast majority of the organisation’s regional staff. They raise “serious concerns” about Taylor, the national council’s (NZC) chief executive since late 2017.
He’s accused of a “continual aggressive, adversarial, dictatorial style”. Staff wrote they’re becoming increasingly alarmed, alienated and distracted, and morale is actively declining.
“The actions and poor transparency of the NZC CEO are causing the development of a concerning level of mistrust, a toxic culture within the organisation,” the letter says, noting “an unhealthy and deteriorating relationship forming between NZC and staff”.

Taylor’s public statements, it seems, were causing conflicts for regional staffers. In the letter, it’s noted the “content of external communications” is “hampering the ability of staff to effectively do their jobs, causing a significant deterioration in relationships”.
Another Fish & Game staffer, who asked to remain anonymous, said the council went to great lengths to “intentionally overstate” the findings of that audit. “There is a very strong feeling that there has been a huge amount of politicking going on by Martin, Lindsay Lyons and a small group of their supporters to force the minister into this review.”

Such a review is seen by some as a “power grab” by Taylor.
The staffer writes: “F&G will wither and die as a centralised bureaucracy, and water quality will suffer as a result.”

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/before-fi...eview-a-revolt

Following on from my earlier post.

The current Fish & Game model is financially unsustainable.
It returned a $50k surplus in 2019, ran a $200k deficit in both 2018 and 2017. A recent financial status report assumed that Fish & Game would lose all of its non-resident licence income, and 10 per cent of its local licence income. It could lead to a loss of $2m this year and $1.5m the following year. This from an organisation that has annual revenues of $3.7m

The same document made broader observations about the organisation and its finances.
It noted that 78 per cent of regional expenditure was in the form of salaries and human resources costs. It said: “There is a significant lack of financial transparency across the organisation” and “there is little or no external review of decisions”.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/...s-intervention

Originally Posted by Friwi

https://www.doc.govt.nz/get-involved...fish-and-game/

I think it is important we send as many submissions as possible.
I am not sure what the whole story is behind the back doors.

But I guess fish and game should keep its curent statutory status .
I believe a new CEO wants to have everything centralised in Wellington, but would it be not better to keep everything regional ie each area with its own specificity?
I hope Sage will be gone by September , because anything she is involved in is a disaster.
It seems that there is a desir to put f and g under the Doc umbrella.
I am already not that keen on a lot of the work of the top brass from Doc , so if it is to f.ck fish and game as well, I would really not be too keen on that either.

But maybe done on the forum have better insight ?

Sent mine away last week.

Originally Posted by duckdog

However Fish and Game director Martin Taylor said the report was well overdue and confirmed that dairying was a non-sustainable industry.
"Fonterra knows it's lost its social licence to operate and is desperate to regain it. But it is also singlehandedly destroying our clean, green image and undermining the efforts of other exporters."

This is what you are commenting about ?
https://fishandgame.org.nz/news/font...unsustainable/

That was 3 years ago.

This was Fonterra saying the same thing 3 years ago...
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/3...-fonterra-says

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

How was it dishonest ?

Farmers in Canterbury have increased waterfowl habitat through the building of hundreds of water storage ponds with the result that waterfowl populations have increased dramatically.
Damage has been done too but its not all as F&G might say

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

This is what you are commenting about ?
https://fishandgame.org.nz/news/font...unsustainable/

That was 3 years ago.

This was Fonterra saying the same thing 3 years ago...
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/country/3...-fonterra-says

Fair enough, then read these
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/far...airying-stance
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/far...me-and-farmers
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/far...l-message?rm=a
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/far...-progress?rm=m
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/...s-intervention
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/before-fi...eview-a-revolt