Thread: Will 2017 be the last of lead in the sub-gauges

Originally Posted by gsp follower

dont worry mate you can shoot them on preserves by now. ducks dont make as much money as milk and meat

Ah but yes, nothing like a goodly case of botulism to get everyone baking, ooops, barking...

It was'nt too many years ago when I attended a District Council meeting where the council was about to support another draconian DoC proposed edict which stated that no dogs were allowed to be on public (DoC) land if not on leash. I kicked up alone and without any support at all pointing out that no bird hunter would be able to hunt let alone retrieve birds in wetlands or heavy cover. Furthermore it would end pig hunting. Luckily there were some councillors present who liked catching pigs so the motion did not go through. Had it done so, DoC would have seen an end to much hunting in the Taupo CNI region. This is not bullshit. It really did happen. Shortly after this, they brought in the shock aversion edicts.
NZF&G need to be got the hell away from Minisrter of Conservation and become an independent (of DoC) entity.

Incidentally, what southland types have experience of hunting with 28 and 20 gauges gauge using "non toxic shot"? Especially where you might only see 3 or 4 ducks within 40 metres range on opening day??
Somebody needs to sort these dickheads out smartly.

Oh, but it's OK to shoot geese with any bloody bullet you like is'nt it dorks! Even over water where your Fed's mates shot into the geese on water from choppers with buckshot and leave the carcasses to rot FFS! DoC very supportive of course.

ah woody you poor cynical commonsence speaking and seeking romantic.
these are the same people that tell you not to be a greedy gus but dont remove thier mag extensions for duck season.
they count thier success on the number of limits they shoot and seemingly have access to subgauge steel that the rest of us dont.
the number of times ive heard they,l bring it in if theres a market [ah no they wont nobody currently has plans to]
yes 3 inch black cloud is available in small doses but its totaly unsutable for most duck hunting.
im trying to get another load but given the importers talking 2500 round minimum order i might struggle.
he,s getting back to me but even a case or two would be my limit.
the reason the chopper boys got away using lead is it wasnt stated so on thier permits
.it had been for every other ellesmere 12 gauge and up user for a few years but this oversight caused doc to spit the dummy penalise everybody and then play the ngai tahu card to forstall any hopes of a rethink for subgauge users.
kicking f&g in the nuts was just a happy coincidence for maggie teching them a lesson for interfering in water and farm issues.
but nobody overeacts like doc when dared to be questioned as the last word in conservation so they blanket banned all subgauge users medical certificate or not oh you black powder gunners are included to .

lets hope the solumbulent kiwi majority wake up sooner rather than later before their total income along with their freedoms and traditions become dissolved like the dumb insects caught in the foul juices of the venus flytrap.

Gees GSPF -you gave him (mike) a rock'nrollvolley like me with the escort on fire. BTW-I have an extended mag on that gun but please don't include me in your generalisations gents!
Im off to wildfowl nirvana shortly ,incidentally with a F&G organisation whom it seems understand shooters and cooperate with them.It sure as s..t aint the zealots of southland!!

Spain or Argentina?
Sure as hell won't be Victoria Australia!

I suppose the crew from F&G will get into the trough at DOC when there is zero licence money in the kitty, or will "Maggie" reward them for their support.

Originally Posted by tetawa

I suppose the crew from F&G will get into the trough at DOC when there is zero licence money in the kitty, or will "Maggie" reward them for their support.

they are becoming interchangable to a point in some regions now tetawa.
if your inclined google the last election results in a few regions and see how many former/current doc staff stood. and how many f&g former staff work now for doc.
i,l give you a hand csi nth canterbury as a start.

The bullshit surrounding the steel shot issue has been around a fair while now. AsI pointed out earlier, the deaths by starvation and habitat destruction af many species of rare native waterfowl and marginal habitat birds and invertebrates has nothing to do with lead shot, but their demise is exactly paralleled by the demise of the ducks and swans. These facts really give the LIE to the steel shot mantra. Consider this piece of draconian greeny feel-good garbage alongside the banning of possum pies, the introduction of the Food Bill by the Minister of DoC which made it illegal to trade your home produce, the banning by Watercare in Jaffaland of people being able to collect and use rainwater off their own roofs and the innumerable farcical "non meaningful" or even completely ignored or banished pubic consultation processes through most regional councils in NZ;-- just a very few examples-- then think about the bully and bullshit tactics of DoC , the structure and increasing complexity of that and other career civil servant taxpayer funded bureaucracies and then think about the rates increases most of us are becoming slaves to , not by democratic process but by weak councillors succumbing to civil staff intent on increasing their overheads staff burden on ratepayers with the ultimate goal of securing million dollar "annual bonuses", again at the cost of rate payers and taxpayers.
NZ Fish & Game IMHO is in danger of being absorbed into DoC by almost by stealth and the ultimate result of this will be the same as has happened by design in Victoria; I.E. an end to hunting. Think further about the compulsory destruction of privately owned firearms in OZ done in conjunction with the end of wildfowling. Then think about how Aussies and Poms go about finding areas and permissions to hunt.
Southland would be tactically a great place to stealthily introduce draconian anti hunting and anti gun measures because the impacts will be less noticeable to hunters there than when the same restrictions are imposed in less well (game)populated wildfowl and game regions in NZ. Local AND F&G and firearms owners there need to kick political arses hard right now and not concede an inch.

the banning by Watercare in Jaffaland of people being able to collect and use rainwater off their own roofs and the innumerable farcical "non meaningful" or even completely ignored or banished pubic consultation processes through most regional councils in NZ

same old same old make it to expencive for pople to consult or object
maybe airborne pollution is that bad in aucks???
there was a south island report or research out of dunedin i think that found lead poisoning in waterfowl but said it couldnt be lead shot..

There's heaps of lead available naturally in the NZ soils and environment which organisms can pick up and absorb and it is NOT lead shot..

I can see the fuckup coming already. Us that use other gauges for rabbits won't be able to get ammo, it's fucking hard enough now as everything comes in for 'duck shooters' and nothing else through the year.

As someone said earlier, simple solution DON'T BUY A LICENCE. If everyone did that those wankers would be out of a job fast.
And you do all realise that from now on F&G can not just walk onto any property unless they have been through the H&S system for each one, signed in etc etc etc etc etc etc...

That rule needs to apply to DoC , Councils and TBfree as well.

Originally Posted by kotuku

doesnt worry me -ima 12g user anyhow ,but i do shoot with 20g users.F&G could do well to canvas them for their thoughts,as a bloody lot of F&G activity is paid for by shooters fees.
ive also got a sneaking feeling this may be related to the rest of this govts review of firearms regulations and the act.

On your last point regarding the regs. Couldn't agree more! Categorisation = Leads to banning, just remember that guys!

Good point.