Thread: 1080 KILLING FISH

Originally Posted by Dundee

Any one know where the bloody factory is or is that Top Secret?

The poison 1080 is manufactured in the USA by Tull Chemical Co of Alabama USA and imported by Animal Control products Ltd.

unaware.

well that says a lot about them as a whole doesn't it.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

unaware.

well that says a lot about them as a whole doesn't it.

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They were informed many times and even now Government Agencies still claim there has never been a death. Have a look at some of the Web Sites. Waikato Regional Council one of the biggest spreaders of1080 in NZ claims on their website that nobody has ever died of 1080.

There are other cases as well of multiple organ failure leading to death.

Did his wife poison him? Or was it his baited jam do you think?

Originally Posted by Gibo

Did his wife poison him? Or was it his baited jam do you think?

Hi Gibo, Baited jam was commonly used in poisoning operations then. No evidence or suggestion otherwise that he was murdered.

What people on this earth are regularly "consuming" 1080???? They make it sound like a delicacy!

Also "for centuries" when what I know 1080 has only been used as a compound poison since, like, the 1930s?? A century hasn't even passed since then.

Originally Posted by Aly

Also "for centuries" when what I know 1080 has only been used as a compound poison since, like, the 1930s?? A century hasn't even passed since then.

I think they are referring to tea drinkers there.

Originally Posted by Moutere

I think they are referring to tea drinkers there.

The sentence goes:
"All over the world millions of people have been regularly consuming 1080 for centuries with no discernible ill effects."

If they were talking about tea, not sure what tea they're drinking.

*edit: their information about tea is wrong here too, that fact is wrong. While tea is more "hydrating" than water (and only some particular tea such as Green Leaf because a lot of tea has caffeine which dehydrates you) the amount of water is still the same, and unless that "cup" that they're drinking from is about 1.5 litres then no..... most tea consumers aren't over hydrating themselves..... *

Is Forest and Bird run by 10 year olds who make up their own facts or something?

Originally Posted by Aly

The sentence goes:
"All over the world millions of people have been regularly consuming 1080 for centuries with no discernible ill effects."

If they were talking about tea, not sure what tea they're drinking.

*edit: their information about tea is wrong here too, that fact is wrong. While tea is more "hydrating" than water (and only some particular tea such as Green Leaf because a lot of tea has caffeine which dehydrates you) the amount of water is still the same, and unless that "cup" that they're drinking from is about 1.5 litres then no..... most tea consumers aren't over hydrating themselves..... *

Is Forest and Bird run by 10 year olds who make up their own facts or something?

Kevin Hackwell, Forest and Birds head honco has been guilty of holding up a bag of salt and vinegar chips the inference is that 1080 is no more dangerous than the salt and vinegar in the chip packet. Children were present at this meeting.

We always know when a drop is coming. It is telegraphed by stories in the press written by Forest and Bird. These series of stories often declare that the number of birds being eaten by possums and rats is increasing dramatically and calling upon DOC to do something about it.

You might have lost me there Aly.
They're referring to people having been drinking tea for centuries, tea that supposedly contains flouroacetate.
A claim that I would like proven as fact or fiction as I've heard this one before too.

"Does 1080 have any effect on human health?

There have been no recorded cases of 1080 causing harm to human health, let alone
any deaths of humans due to 1080 poisoning. Long-term, low-level exposure is not
harmful – tea drinkers consume 1080 at about 1.5 times the drinking water limit with
every cup of ordinary tea. All over the world millions of people have been regularly
consuming 1080 for centuries with no discernible ill effects."

This is a paragraph sourced from: 1080 Frequently Asked Questions | Forest and Bird

Kinda makes me wanna vom with all the dishonesty.... if the U.S.A Government openly acknowledges multiple human deaths from 1080, what forest and bird are trying to spread in their little brochures of sunshine and daisies is almost criminally untrue. Actually I'm pretty sure they can be taken to court for spreading misinformation like that, with the legalities against misrepresentation/dishonesty/fraud etc

There are other cases and we documented them all and presented them as a submission in the 2007 ERMA review on 1080 poison.

DOC, Animal Health Board, and Regional Council representatives were present.

Thanks Scribe and Cambo for that info.

The way Forest and Bird writes it, and sells this information as being sourced from DOC, almost makes it sound like they are confidently insinuating it is perfectly fine for a person to eat a 1080 bait - and suffer nothing. Especially by making it sound like humans have been consuming it for centuries. Which contradicts what DOC warns, but if these are the people who are the pro-1080 group then all it takes is one gullible New Zealander to follow and attempt to eat it to prove a point. Or enter a 1080 zone with their young children, thinking it would be completely harmless for them should they pick it up.

So I've never looked into Forest and Bird before, but now I'm actually thoroughly disturbed by them.