Thread: Inshore fishing under threat?

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

Racist c*nts?? Who are the racist c*nts your going on about? Can you point them out please

Couple above my post. Leave it there

Originally Posted by mikee

I would be interested to know which specific international vessels fish inside our teritorial waters?

when the squid boats used to fish off Timaru it was like a city of lights out there...always said our Navy should have lots of small fast boats...like MTBs of old and go hard on policing our territorial waters.....dont warn just zoom in,two choices,come into port and forfeit ship,or get in life raft as she about to be sunk....
message would soon get out there.
the joint venture vessels dont do our fish stocks a heck of a lot of good.....the $$$$ go mostly offshore and all the fish does..so country gets bugger all back for hunk of resource gone.

agree on first 5 fish kept thing........it would solve many issues on fresh water fisheries in places too...the canals in particular..... disgracefull the wastage that happens up there.

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

I’ve read the whole thread and I don’t see any racist comments. Just because someone has an opinion of what’s going on doesn’t make them ‘racist c*nts’

My last comment on the topic, Maybe the two comments here are not blatantly racist but they are. Happy with their approval to create a seperate thread highlighting their post history as evidence. Probably not something you want to get caught up in though

Sorry Gibo I am not familiar with the situation up there. However i can speak on my local area.

I love catching fish as much as you and many others on here however i do feel that locally the rules desperately need a shake up.

The bottom structure in our bay has been completely destroyed by years of bottom trawling, there is very little reef left.

I would love to see the installation of some artificial reefs and some bottom trawl exclusion zones.

We have a local (recreational) minimum size limit for snaps of 25cm which in my opinion is too small and should be increased to 30cm.

We are also permitted 10 snaps per person which is a lot and should be lowered.

Two long lines are allowed per boat. Personally i would be happy if that was reduced to one.

I despise the recent ban/ban/ban cancel culture as much as the next guy. However....

We do need to do something to ensure our children and grandchildren can have the same fun, enjoyment and food for their family that we do. I know you will agree !

The question is what is the right path/decisions to make?

As a recreational body we are terrible at representing ourselves and often the decisions are made by those in an office with very little knowledge of what they are deciding on.

We need to be a far better collective voice !!
@veitnamcam you will have something of value to add here I am sure.










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OK funny wee story from my past.... relevant here on TWO counts
fishery related...and racism related OK????

young smart arse Brown skinned fella from Temuka was starting to go on about tribal rights...and it got up my nose,so one day when he started in high horse again,I stopped him and asked if I could have MY TRIBAL rights too???? sure why not..he says.... so I replied "my fellas used to come down here,rape your women,eat your children and pinch your friggen greenstone"
his jaw dropped...then quick as you like my Maori mate across the room chimes in "you ever seen the women in TEMUKA? yo uare welcome to them"
jolly near pissed meself laughing
took the heat out of whole situation and young fella shut up on subject.

Haha sorry cam we must have been typing at the same time

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Originally Posted by kukuwai

Sorry Gibo I am not familiar with the situation up there. However i can speak on my local area.

I love catching fish as much as you and many others on here however i do feel that locally the rules desperately need a shake up.

The bottom structure in our bay has been completely destroyed by years of bottom trawling, there is very little reef left.

I would love to see the installation of some artificial reefs and some bottom trawl exclusion zones.

We have a local (recreational) minimum size limit for snaps of 25cm which in my opinion is too small and should be increased to 30cm.

We are also permitted 10 snaps per person which is a lot and should be lowered.

Two long lines are allowed per boat. Personally i would be happy if that was reduced to one.

I despise the recent ban/ban/ban cancel culture as much as the next guy. However....

We do need to do something to ensure our children and grandchildren can have the same fun, enjoyment and food for their family that we do. I know you will agree !

The question is what is the right path/decisions to make?

As a recreational body we are terrible at representing ourselves and often the decisions are made by those in an office with very little knowledge of what they are deciding on.

We need to be a far better collective voice !!
@veitnamcam you will have something of value to add here I am sure.










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And thats the thing. I reckon just about every fisherman i know would support a sensible approach with 1 to 2 reefs out of a system of 3-4 closed but when entire reef systems either side of an island are closed it just reeks of ‘cause we can’, they just seem to go way over the top.

Originally Posted by Gibo

And thats the thing. I reckon just about every fisherman i know would support a sensible approach with 1 to 2 reefs out of a system of 3-4 closed but when entire reef systems either side of an island are closed it just reeks of ‘cause we can’, they just seem to go way over the top.

Exactly so how can we have our say and make it count?

I remember in another thread that @Russian 22. Stated that change.org was a waste of time so what Avenue should we use.

We down here will all give you our support !!

I am sure of that !!

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I dont know. But why do Councils have the power to do this? Dont MPI make these sorts of decisions based off research? Seems unless its appealed through the environmental court with enough backing the appeal gets quashed and the councils proceed as they wish. Also seems even when we think everyone is behind the appeal its still never enough and they spin that its based on consultation with the public. Beats me

Local councils have deep pockets due to ratepayers. They welcome court action as as they have a bigger cheque book.

And to that end, there should be no commercial catch of Kahawai. I believe at the moment it is caught and sent to Aussie to be used in crab pots. How about leaving it alone so at least you could go out with a surfcaster and bring home a feed. It can be bloody hard work to catch a fish off the beach these days dependant on what part of the country you are in.

Originally Posted by Woody

It is grim on the face of it. IMO the right of citizens to harvest a natural food source for personal family consumption should be sacrosanct. Certainly there may be sensible constraints on quantity taken but these should not be so small that the family costs incurred in fishing are above the costs of being forced to buy retail sea foods. The imposition on recreational fishers in favour of commercial fishers is unfair on private families and unacceptable in my view.

Originally Posted by kukuwai

Sorry Gibo I am not familiar with the situation up there. However i can speak on my local area.

I love catching fish as much as you and many others on here however i do feel that locally the rules desperately need a shake up.

The bottom structure in our bay has been completely destroyed by years of bottom trawling, there is very little reef left.

I would love to see the installation of some artificial reefs and some bottom trawl exclusion zones.

We have a local (recreational) minimum size limit for snaps of 25cm which in my opinion is too small and should be increased to 30cm.

We are also permitted 10 snaps per person which is a lot and should be lowered.

Two long lines are allowed per boat. Personally i would be happy if that was reduced to one.

I despise the recent ban/ban/ban cancel culture as much as the next guy. However....

We do need to do something to ensure our children and grandchildren can have the same fun, enjoyment and food for their family that we do. I know you will agree !

The question is what is the right path/decisions to make?

As a recreational body we are terrible at representing ourselves and often the decisions are made by those in an office with very little knowledge of what they are deciding on.

We need to be a far better collective voice !!
@veitnamcam you will have something of value to add here I am sure.










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Firstly I would say be very very careful what you wish for....
Speaking now specifically about snapper 7

Why would you or any other recreational fisher advocate for a lowering of the recreational catch limit of snapper in our finally recovering nicely....getting better year on year snapper fishery?
You do know commercial quota for snapper was increased in our region last year or maybe the one before?
Because they argue snapper are so prolific they cant fish the bay for months (or they run out of quota)
And they are asking for more.....recreational need to grab all the quota they can and hang onto it (legaly not physically ) because once that "share" of the "Total Allowable Catch" is gone we the people will never get it back.

By increasing the snapper quota for commercial and not for recreational (which they of course should have to at least match the comercial ) they have effectively taken the publics fish (yours mine your dads and mine our childrens and neighbors) and given it into OWNERSHIP OF COMERCIAL COMPANYS.
Short of complete societal breakdown civil war type shit we will never get that back.

Gurnard is up for reveiw right now and I suggest you submit and I would politely suggest you submit along the lines that if commercial quota is increased then recreational MUST be raised to match.
Or it is theft from the public by companies/the govt.

While I would like to think it is every kiwis right to catch or gather a feed the sad facts are this.
There are two groups in NZ whos rights to fish are written into law.

COMMERCIAL

And

CUSTOMARY

If you dont belong to one of those two groups you have no right to fish written into law and are at the whim of whoever is in parliament at the time.

NEVER advocate for a reduction in limit for recreational of a recovering abundant species.

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

Yep should be 30cm and a quota of 7 like in the BOP, maybe even 32cm would be better.

Wrong

Originally Posted by Gibo

I dont know. But why do Councils have the power to do this? Dont MPI make these sorts of decisions based off research? Seems unless its appealed through the environmental court with enough backing the appeal gets quashed and the councils proceed as they wish. Also seems even when we think everyone is behind the appeal its still never enough and they spin that its based on consultation with the public. Beats me

Forest and bird have a lot to answer for......yes they meddle with our fishing too.