Thread: Inshore fishing under threat?

Originally Posted by Woody

It is grim on the face of it. IMO the right of citizens to harvest a natural food source for personal family consumption should be sacrosanct. Certainly there may be sensible constraints on quantity taken but these should not be so small that the family costs incurred in fishing are above the costs of being forced to buy retail sea foods. The imposition on recreational fishers in favour of commercial fishers is unfair on private families and unacceptable in my view.

Wot you said

50 years ago, I used to take my girls friends du jour, to Takapuna beach at night, to gaze at the sea and well, shag them.

90% of the time we could watch the trawlers working up and down the Rangitoto channel. This trawling was illegal. They would do one direction, with their nav lights on, then switch off the nav lights and do 3, 4, 5 or more passes with no lights and then turn lights on and go home.

The reason I could see them, when the lights were off, is that they had lights in the cabin and cigarettes in their mouths, easy for a young man with good eyesight.

I coincidentally, had a girlfriend, whose brothers were all trawler fishermen and whose father was a, wait for it, fisheries inspector. The Dad would take all the confiscated seafood home. The Brothers would bring by-catch home. Mind you in those days, the snapper by-catch were all the size of goats. I've seen snapper that needed two guys to lift.

As a kid I could go out, on Saturday morning with Dad, off Northcote point and after an hour, bring back enough fish for us, for a couple of days and for several of our neighbours also.

Unfortunately the the commercial fishing industry is predicated on rape and pillage, maximum profit for shareholders, is the only rule they take heed of.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

ok so call me dumb/ignorant/naive but why shut off whole harbour/reef....would it not be just about as effective to shut off half of it.....you could say not fish on south side of line of bouys but not on north side....be easier to police that way too as could do it from shore with cameras......

My opinion, because the fish can't see the line on the map. There's a good argument to expand the reserve at Goat Island, Leigh, because the catch rate just outside the reserve, is depleting the populations inside the reserve. Triple or quadruple it in my view.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

commercial interests have been rapeing resouce forever...I worked in fish factory for a few years and nearly ten on wharf so saw alot..... and the changes a few short years made on resource...
and while Im up on high horse.....why not install pellet feeders on the likes of wharfs to actually FEED THE FISH.....like is done on salmon farms.....wouldnt need to be huge amount and fish would congregate.... where you have little fish you end up with bigger fish....sort of help out the bottom end and attract for fishing folks at same time..... thats a thought from days in fish factory on waterside,where all waste product got turned into fish meal.....dead easy to make pellets and have feeder pop them back into ocean.....wharf fishing is not a scratch on what it used to be.

Used to be on Pakatoa Island, the cooks would dump the kitchen scraps from the hotel, off the wharf. Some very very big Trevally were caught there...

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

So lets both accept that squid is the major part of their diet. Is squid always available or do they move around ? Is the squid under quota management, if it is wont the exponential growth in the seal population combined with the commercial take put the squid resource under pressure potentially collapsing it, or will seals exploit other fish as a food resource ?

Internationally, the squid populations are exploding due to overfishing of fin fish, particularly by China, Russia and the usual suspects. Also, jellyfish, are much more prevalent in the World's oceans than they used to be, pre the industrial fishing age.

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

Lets deal with the known facts not what ifs eh ?

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https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rc...rVz-Q4zBvFEWCu

Originally Posted by MarkN

Internationally, the squid populations are exploding due to overfishing of fin fish, particularly by China, Russia and the usual suspects. Also, jellyfish, are much more prevalent in the World's oceans than they used to be, pre the industrial fishing age.

I know the Jelly fish are out of control, I didn't know that was also the case with squid.
All I am suggesting is a pragmatic approach setting emotion aside to achieve a sustainable balance. Do seals or any other non endangered creature have any more or any less right to life ?

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

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https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&rc...rVz-Q4zBvFEWCu

I notice they don't promote culling .

Originally Posted by MarkN

My opinion, because the fish can't see the line on the map. There's a good argument to expand the reserve at Goat Island, Leigh, because the catch rate just outside the reserve, is depleting the populations inside the reserve. Triple or quadruple it in my view.



Used to be on Pakatoa Island, the cooks would dump the kitchen scraps from the hotel, off the wharf. Some very very big Trevally were caught there...

If you want to see some big trevs go to the wharf at Rarotonga.. the huge GTs that feed on the scraps the comms guys chuck overboard while gutting their catch is mind blowing.

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

I notice they don't promote culling .

It seems that I dont word my posts in a way that make my point easily understood, so I will try this:
We are entering unknown territory as far as large seal populations. We do not know what an environmentally sustainable population is. We dont know what the impact of one million seals would be. No one wants seals eradicated but we also dont want to see them breed to level where they exhaust or exceed their food resources. Food resources that are not as abundant as they were historically. I read that seabirds are a favoured food of male seals, does that include the fledglings of endangered seabirds ? I dont know but it is likely.

Unknown territory......lets kill them!

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

Building a mooring for a fully laden container ship which weighs several thousand tonnes?? Mate ya dreaming....

Its still better than your idea smart arse

Originally Posted by Gibo

Unknown territory......lets kill them!

And use their bloated bodies for floating moorings

I really am getting sick and tired of these threads which have good beginnings turning into mud slinging matches.

Such a shame, seems to be a common trend of late.


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maybe this shit has something to do with the bigger picture too
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-pl...TYJSU5SKUEBSU/

Originally Posted by kukuwai

I really am getting sick and tired of these threads which have good beginnings turning into mud slinging matches.

Such a shame, seems to be a common trend of late.


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Its the Labour partys fault.

Originally Posted by Pengy

maybe this shit has something to do with the bigger picture too
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-pl...TYJSU5SKUEBSU/

Those bastards need to have all of their kit (including boats) taken from them and then sit in a manly prison cell for the next twenty years.