Thread: Old huts

A combination of photos from the past....

Charliehorse, you mentioned tucker. I supose it is.
I went to one bivy years ago and there was a wall of tucker when I opened the door. Perhaps I might put the photo up here?

Old_School, you mention the primus 535.... I can't remember I just use the thing it obviously worked alright.





The helicopter was a relic from the past (Army surplus maybe?) commonly doing what was described by the NZ Forest Service as a "food drop".
By memory it was trying to get up to Howletts Hut in the Ruahine Ranges, but the wind was to strong for it and it had to make another attempt but it did the job.

Photos taken late 1974 period.

hiller I believe...Korean war era if the M*A*S*H tv show was half correct with what they used/showed

Cattle Creek....... Ruahine's

Bell 47.Pre dated the Hillers

Originally Posted by video hunter

Old_School, you mention the primus 535.... I can't remember I just use the thing it obviously worked alright..

Yeah I instantly recognized that stove because I've got one myself, I collect the things and have a bunch of various vintage stoves and lanterns.
They work better than alot of butane stoves that many of us use, only disadvantages are the weight if you are carrying in your pack and the time to prime and heat up the stove, bit they work very well in cold climate.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

hiller I believe...Korean war era if the M*A*S*H tv show was half correct with what they used/showed

no it is a Bell 47 very underpowered but they were a helicopter

Originally Posted by Old_School

Yeah I instantly recognized that stove because I've got one myself, I collect the things and have a bunch of various vintage stoves and lanterns.
They work better than alot of butane stoves that many of us use, only disadvantages are the weight if you are carrying in your pack and the time to prime and heat up the stove, bit they work very well in cold climate.

just like the wee timnoxed primus and coleman white spirit ones...must replace the rubber seal on tank of mine and use it again....got lazy with a penny meths cooker for last few years,and now jetboil knock offs are $80 at kmart...well the good Mrs bought me one....

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

no it is a Bell 47 very underpowered but they were a helicopter

yes we used one a bit in Gisborne - American chap flying it - ex Vietnam pilot - sadly killed back of Gisborne in it - an old Ruahine culler told me the first time they used one it was driven up to Mangaweka on back of truck from Wellington - otherwise very slow expensive flight up ahh - pilot stuck the blades on and did the job - back onto truck and home again - Hiller 12E was a marked improvement quite a bit more grunt - and then there was the Llama -first time I saw one used could not get over what they could lift - man they were slow but very grunty - dont quote me but was something like ( just pilot low fuel ) Bell 47 450 lb -Hiller 12E 600 lb Llama 900 lb - One Gisborne pilot had a Hiller 12e that had been fitted with a turbine instead of the flat six Lycoming -used to go and load for him on weekends and he would let me fly it home with the duals in - but feck spraying scrub back of Gisborne bloody drums of yup 245T

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

yes we used one a bit in Gisborne - American chap flying it - ex Vietnam pilot - sadly killed back of Gisborne in it - an old Ruahine culler told me the first time they used one it was driven up to Mangaweka on back of truck from Wellington - otherwise very slow expensive flight up ahh - pilot stuck the blades on and did the job - back onto truck and home again - Hiller 12E was a marked improvement quite a bit more grunt - and then there was the Llama -first time I saw one used could not get over what they could lift - man they were slow but very grunty - dont quote me but was something like ( just pilot low fuel ) Bell 47 450 lb -Hiller 12E 600 lb Llama 900 lb - One Gisborne pilot had a Hiller 12e that had been fitted with a turbine instead of the flat six Lycoming -used to go and load for him on weekends and he would let me fly it home with the duals in - but feck spraying scrub back of Gisborne bloody drums of yup 245T

Bell47 G engine was turbocharged 435ci Lycoming.
Hiller 12E twin carb 540ci Lycoming.
12E Turbine conversion was Soloy conversion, installed an Allison 250 C-20 ( Jetranger / Hughes500 C/D) in place of the VO540. Lighter engine and better ISA+ performance.

Fond memories….fading





Soloy in for hot end inspection.

B

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

no it is a Bell 47 very underpowered but they were a helicopter

Yeah, we (NZDF) ran them for decades. Purchased first ones in 1965 from memory and used them right through till 2012, when all the other operators had rightly consigned them to Museums. Used them quite a bit in Waiouru to do reconnaissance, but even on a calm day they were always operating at the limit of their envelope.

Flying hut materials into the Tararuas mid 1970's, we caught a ride into the hut on dark clutching onto the side litters. Eyes wide open and fricken cold!!!

Originally Posted by shift14

Bell47 G engine was turbocharged 435ci Lycoming.
Hiller 12E twin carb 540ci Lycoming.
12E Turbine conversion was Soloy conversion, installed an Allison 250 C-20 ( Jetranger / Hughes500 C/D) in place of the VO540. Lighter engine and better ISA+ performance.

Fond memories….fading

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Soloy in for hot end inspection.

B

yup thats the beast - cant remember the name of the pilot did ag work Gisborne - suffered from overheating the transmission - cyclic shake was noticeable

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

yup thats the beast - cant remember the name of the pilot did ag work Gisborne - suffered from overheating the transmission - cyclic shake was noticeable

Was the pilot Polish ?. Rex Nawalaniec ?


From memory that’s the transmission oil cooler on top of the engine mount with the duct attached to the exhaust pipe. They tried to draw fresh air through the cooler augmented by the fast moved exhaust gases in lieu of ram air.

Because of the extra power of the Allison, the limiting factor was the torque the transmission could absorb, hence the overheating.

No power controls, hence the cyclic shake. Keeping the head and blades in dynamic track and balance was an art. Made easier when the Chadwick Helmuth gear came along.

B

Originally Posted by shift14

From memory that’s the transmission oil cooler on top of the engine mount with the duct attached to the exhaust pipe. They tried to draw fresh air through the cooler augmented by the fast moved exhaust gases in lieu of ram air.

Because of the extra power of the Allison, the limiting factor was the torque the transmission could absorb, hence the overheating.

No power controls, hence the cyclic shake. Keeping the head and blades in dynamic track and balance was an art. Made easier when the Chadwick Helmuth gear came along.

B

yes helicopters - have they not come a long way from that Bell 47 - I worked out I have been lucky enough to fly in 12 different makes and models - favourite McDonnel Douglas 500E - most impressed by Kawasaki Bolkoff twin turbine - bloody piece of kit - fun factor Hughs 300 C- scary Robbie R22 on a windy day

Just been reading up on the French retirement of the Alouette III.
I'm sure I saw one of these here in the 80s. Maybe Helicopters NZ?
Anyone run into the Alouette?