Thread: 100 days after paying

And then use it for another year and courier it back set up and sighted?

Helluva lot of guys on here seem to get custom built guns then sell 6 months or 50 RDS later. If I was going that way I would fork out a few bucks extra and FLY up there and pick it up in person THEN pay for completed build when happy with it in hand. Would he happy to pay a deposit agreed on first hell air nz grab seat deals pretty damn good I'm sorry by t I think you have been very foolish.

I'd ring who ever it is up and bluntly tell them it had better be on the courier today or there name will be plastered over ever hunting forum in NZ and social media, then if that doesn't work I would consider it theft and lay a compliant with the police. 100days is farking rediculous.

How much have you payed to this guy so far? which city. might stop all of us guessing who

Its pretty obvious it either doesn't exist or hes telling porkys about it being finished when its not

$2500 I supplied everything apart from barrel and extended mag box.

i suggest you pay him a visit, provide proof of courier or hand it over. have local cop shop on speed dial

Shit sounds like the Indians and my fridge, now 11 months, been through the small claims, hopefully the bailiff's ain't soft cocks!!

Originally Posted by timattalon

My suggestion would be to first advise him that you will be approaching the police as the firearm has gone missing in transit. Suggest that if he has genuinely sent it that the courier must have possession so ask for a specific date for when it was sent so you can follow up wit the Arms office.

When and if you speak to the Arms office, it would not hurt to explain that you suspect he has not sent it and that he is potentially heading to a fraudulent situation, but if he thinks the AO is actually looking into it, he may be more inclined to tell the truth. A year is too long. If he cannot do this, he should have fronted up and admitted it earlier.

I would like to add to timattalon's very good advice. In any contract there are three elements that must be satisfied to make it binding : Offer, acceptance and consideration ( consideration in contractual terms meaning some form of agreed payment) Clearly all three have been satisfied in this case. The contract is binding and enforceable. I am guessing that no time limit was set in which the work had to be completed therefore a reasonableness test would be applied. It would be reasonable to expect the work to be completed within six months of payment for example - the gunsmith could argue that he was unwilling to purchase / import a barrel without an upfront payment which was originally agreed to be paid in cash, but that he had been waiting since the middle of last year until the end of April when payment was finally made against an invoice. What I would suggest is that you gather all paperwork emails txts letters etc along with diary entrees and make copies of these in case things turn bad. Having another person collect the firearm on your behalf - requiring serial numbers etc as proof of ownership would be possibly the best way if they could arrange to be accompanied by a local Police officer. But most certainly as timattalon suggests ask the local police in the first instance.

Are there any threads on this forum that deal with poor service from North island Gunsmiths that might have relevance ?

Originally Posted by Maca49

Shit sounds like the Indians and my fridge, now 11 months, been through the small claims, hopefully the bailiff's ain't soft cocks!!

Sioux, Apache, Cheyenne or Navajo? Those Cheyenne can be tough on a fridge!

you have a lot more patients then me. If i had handed over $2500 i wouldn't be waiting 100 days i would be paying the guy a visit or going to the police

Is he a "reputable" gunsmith? I.E a name most all of us will recognize?

I see 4 possible reasons:

#1 His work load is far beyond his production capacity and he is lying to allow time to complete the work.

#2 He has fucked up your rifle and is stalling to try replace it.

#3 It has genuinely got lost in transit.

#4 He is a con artist.

The damage to his reputation and therefore his business would be too great for it to be as simple as, it takes 100 days and many excuses in order to have the privilege of his services after handing over substantial sums for said service. The business would die a rapid death I think.

For comparison, I had a barrel fitted by a lesser known north island gunsmith and had it back within a week, job done. I did pay for the barrel and arrange for it to be delivered to the Smith.

I'd suspect either something embarrassing has happened like put the barrel on the wrong gun, lost s crucial part etc or else he has psych problems like depression or alcohol. Unlikely that he really intended to steal $2500 and half a gun from you. Or something you did inadvertently caused a problem like incorrect contact info. Things may not be as bad as they sound.

Looks like you're new to the forum. Do you have another handle ? Tell us a bit about yourself, what sort of shooting do you do, what was the gun you were getting made ? All interesting stuff.

rod -seems the communication highway was non existent here.IN my POV if hed made some sort of blue wouldnt it be both logical and polite to at least phone you explain the situationand try to reach an amicable solution.
in fact that applies to all options mentioned.
me -well bluntly id be ringing himand saying front up whats the true story -any B/s or high faluting ecuses hes got 24hrs to come to the party or you go public here(dont forget the present anonymity he enjoys reflects suspicion on any number of competent professionals also in the gunsmithing business in NI and who are entirely innocent.)
as its a firearm yes involve the boys in blue but again thats up to you.If its the dopey courier company then same approach applies -front up discuss agree to remdy or else you go public again!
100days without any word on how the project is going is a bloody disgrace in my opinion and is in fact unprofessional.