Thread: 22 magnum on reds

I honestly dont get carlson highways point...
Anything to the brain will kill a deer, drop it on the spot, i could put a arrow in a deers brain and it would drop it on the spot. FACT

If we are comparing apples with apples you would need to compare the same shot placement e.g lung/heart. A bow is going to be FAR more effective than a 22lr.....

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

I honestly dont get carlson highways point...
Anything to the brain will kill a deer, drop it on the spot, i could put a arrow in a deers brain and it would drop it on the spot. FACT

If we are comparing apples with apples you would need to compare the same shot placement e.g lung/heart. A bow is going to be FAR more effective than a 22lr.....

+1

As a non-bow hunter I have no idea, what sort of accuracy do you get from a bow?

Originally Posted by GravelBen

As a non-bow hunter I have no idea, what sort of accuracy do you get from a bow?

Outside of 40 metres they cant gaurantee anything. I have seen a goat shot straight through the heart at exactly 51 metres, a mighty fine shot and done with a longbow too.

If someone put a gun to my head and said you have to kill that deer over there at 50 metres - right now - do you know what are you going to use - the .22 or the bow? Well, do you punk?
I would volunteer for the .22.

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

Outside of 40 metres they cant gaurantee anything. I have seen a goat shot straight through the heart at exactly 51 metres, a mighty fine shot and done with a longbow too.

If someone put a gun to my head and said you have to kill that deer over there at 50 metres - right now - do you know what are you going to use - the .22 or the bow? Well, do you punk?
I would volunteer for the .22.

and you can guarantee a kill form 22 out that far? well done champ.

i am by no means anti shooting deer with a 22 etc, i have done it and will continue to do it if the situation arises. I have also shot deer multiple goats and many other critters with the bow, have you?

To answer your question, i would choose the bow, i would take a lung shot and have a much larger margin for error and the likely hood of multiple shots presenting themselves, unlike with the 22.

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

and you can guarantee a kill form 22 out that far? well done champ.

i am by no means anti shooting deer with a 22 etc, i have done it and will continue to do it if the situation arises. I have also shot deer multiple goats and many other critters with the bow, have you?

To answer your question, i would choose the bow, i would take a lung shot and have a much larger margin for error and the likely hood of multiple shots presenting themselves, unlike with the 22.

Of course I can. So can you if you tried even just a little bit. Champ. And out to 75 metres, meanwhile, good luck with your stick and peice of string at 75.
And yes, champ, I have done a lot with a recurve and a longbow.

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

Of course I can. So can you if you tried even just a little bit. Champ. And out to 75 metres, meanwhile, good luck with your stick and peice of string at 75.
And yes, champ, I have done a lot with a recurve and a longbow.

I have trouble taking anyone serious who tries to compare a .22lr and a 243.

I think you know that you are lying to yourself if you think you can hit a deer in the brain with every shot from a .22 and kill it everytime from that distance. I've mishit from closer distances on bigger calibres and hit perfect shots out to 550m but I'd never stand here and say I don't miss.

Try the compound bow mate, can shoot a lot further a lot more consistently!

Quite accurate, only shoot groups at 20 and beyond or you start getting robin hoods, splitting arrows etc which gets expensive.

Bow shooting has a lot more to do with the shooter than the bow, unlike rifle shooting where the rifle will typically determine how good the groups are.

Things start getting a lot harder when you get past the 35 yard mark with a bow, i personally only shoot game at 30 and under but other, much more experienced shooters would take deer at 50 yards or even further.

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

Bow shooting has a lot more to do with the shooter than the bow, unlike rifle shooting where the rifle will typically determine how good the groups are.

I would say that bow shooting has a lot to do with the shooter. More so than rifle shooting - yes i agree. But in practical rifle shooting it is almost never the rifle that determines how good the groups are - it is the shooter.

Deer beating stick minimum is .243 diameter, which in my view is just unethical. Might as well use a bloody .22

yeah should have worded it a bit different. I guess what im trying to say is that if i gave a complete newbie a rifle that was zeroed at 100yards and gave no instruction and said shoot that x at 100yards chances are they would get pretty close.
If i gave them a bow chances are they wouldnt even be able to draw the bow and get a shot off, let alone get the arrow anywhere near the target

at what point did i say i was going to shoot anything with a bow at 75???? that would be "unethical" in my opinion, because i no the limit of my ability. Many animals have been killed at 75 and beyond with a bow, but by much more skilled archers and better hunters than myself.

You never did, Perazzi, neither did I. I said you can't, but that you can kill a deer reliably at 75 metres with a .22 magnum with head and top of the neck shots. What there to dispute?

Bavarian, the .243 is the minimum stick size for beating a deer to death with.

Jesus you guys are hard work

Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

You can't Perazzi, but you can kill a deer reliably at 75 metres with a .22 magnum with head and top of the neck shots.

Bavarian, the .243 is the minimum stick size for beating a deer to death with.

Jesus you guys are hard work

I'm going to buy you a beer next time I'm in NZ, I've always wanted to shake the hand of a bloke who doesn't miss