Thread: 25-06 why hasn't it achieved fame and success in New Zealand?

For there to be any kind of factual ballistic argument for or against then that callibre needs at least a couple of good game killing projectiles with a BC of .5 or better.

A round set up to shoot to longer ranges that does not have these is absurd.

Burning up your barrel with a round thats badly wind affected makes no sense.

The "flat shooting" thing being a myth because punch it into a ballistics calculator and you will see the projectiles inneficiency is more important than the high muzzle velocity.

If there was a projectile around the 115-120gr mark with a BC of .6 then 25-06 would be shit hot. There is no reason why one could not be made.

What's the point of a hugely over bore short range chambering?

Originally Posted by Tussock

For there to be any kind of factual ballistic argument for or against then that callibre needs at least a couple of good game killing projectiles with a BC of .5 or better.

A round set up to shoot to longer ranges that does not have these is absurd.

Burning up your barrel with a round thats badly wind affected makes no sense.

The "flat shooting" thing being a myth because punch it into a ballistics calculator and you will see the projectiles inneficiency is more important than the high muzzle velocity.

If there was a projectile around the 115-120gr mark with a BC of .6 then 25-06 would be shit hot. There is no reason why one could not be made.

What's the point of a hugely over bore short range chambering?

https://ronspomeroutdoors.com/blog/2...6-5-creedmoor/

A good read.

Originally Posted by Basenjiboy

Robbie Tiffen rechambered a Tikka m55 to 25 Souper (25-08) for me.
i'm running 100gn hornday with AR2209 (haven't chronographed it yet)

Its a perfect long range wallaby rig and fellow deer

It sure is a great Cal.

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Hey @nor-west he ( @Tussock ) is not looking for informed response, rather is dangling bait..... don't feed that particular Troll. The other protagonist in this end of the thread is just misguided and misinformed.

Enjoying this thread that much has prompted me to join NZ Hunting and shooting forum! Why has 2506 not achieved fame in NZ?? Because it is inefficient and when / if you get into researching ballistics / Calibers as many do their are simply more efficient calibers out there between 6mm - 7mm options which most divert to ahead of the 2506. Get past that and you are prepared to go inefficient, burn powder, make a Big Bang, have a looonnng action and barrel then the 2506 is one heck of a cartridge in nz and I think one of the coolest Calibers out there... I liken it to driving a v8 vs more economical vehicle alternatives😊. I have been shooting a 2506 since 1999 and took my last deer last weekend at 543 yards, admittedly that was probably a little irresponsible range wise and the deer required a finishing shot. The deer before that was at 508 yds and the shot went through the lower shoulder and heart. In both instances the projectile exited. Normal shooting ranges for me are between 50-300 yds and nearly all deer (sika) I have shot with the 2506 have fallen within 5 yds of where they have been shot. I currently shoot a Kimber 84l with a custom load from rivers to ranges in HB (Jem & Scotty) using 117gn Sierra game kings doing 3130fps out of a 24 inch barrel. Pictures below are my last 2 sika out of my 2506. Having said all that my son has just got his first rifle in 6.5cr and I’m really looking forward to seeing how that goes.

Originally Posted by Tussock

For there to be any kind of factual ballistic argument for or against then that callibre needs at least a couple of good game killing projectiles with a BC of .5 or better.

A round set up to shoot to longer ranges that does not have these is absurd.

Burning up your barrel with a round thats badly wind affected makes no sense.

The "flat shooting" thing being a myth because punch it into a ballistics calculator and you will see the projectiles inneficiency is more important than the high muzzle velocity.

If there was a projectile around the 115-120gr mark with a BC of .6 then 25-06 would be shit hot. There is no reason why one could not be made.

What's the point of a hugely over bore short range chambering?

tell all that to the old time buffalo shooters who used .45 or .50 calibre black powder rounds at medium ranges to devastating effect.

From what I've seen from my 416 rem.mag with 350gr barnes at slower speed around the 2000fps mark it seems to work well. If it was something that mushroomed at that speed i can see how they liked it.
Mind you speed them up to 2500fps and you have something with 5000ftlb of energy and if it hits something solid it will hurt bigtime

Originally Posted by Kaweka2506

Enjoying this thread that much has prompted me to join NZ Hunting and shooting forum! Why has 2506 not achieved fame in NZ?? Because it is inefficient and when / if you get into researching ballistics / Calibers as many do their are simply more efficient calibers out there between 6mm - 7mm options which most divert to ahead of the 2506. Get past that and you are prepared to go inefficient, burn powder, make a Big Bang, have a looonnng action and barrel then the 2506 is one heck of a cartridge in nz and I think one of the coolest Calibers out there... I liken it to driving a v8 vs more economical vehicle alternatives��. I have been shooting a 2506 since 1999 and took my last deer last weekend at 543 yards, admittedly that was probably a little irresponsible range wise and the deer required a finishing shot. The deer before that was at 508 yds and the shot went through the lower shoulder and heart. In both instances the projectile exited. Normal shooting ranges for me are between 50-300 yds and nearly all deer (sika) I have shot with the 2506 have fallen within 5 yds of where they have been shot. I currently shoot a Kimber 84l with a custom load from rivers to ranges in HB (Jem & Scotty) using 117gn Sierra game kings doing 3130fps out of a 24 inch barrel. Pictures below are my last 2 sika out of my 2506. Having said all that my son has just got his first rifle in 6.5cr and I’m really looking forward to seeing how that goes.Attachment 132842Attachment 132843

Another thing to consider IMO is that a lot of projectiles available in the past as factory loads for 25 06 weren't really very good and gave poor results. Nowadays on the whole projectiles are better and can perform over a greater velocity range.

Originally Posted by Huntfisheat

Don't have to be projectile specific. Most 25/06 hunters don't reload and a typical weight is round 110. The typical weight in 7/08 is 140, although the SST's i use are 139g. Comparing those commonly used rounds shows the benefit of the 7mm round.

I have seen two deer shot with a 7m08 since December and actually cut one up last night. Two is a small sample I know, but do they always run 25-30 metres after being shot in the chest with full penetration and yet massive internal damage and hydraulic bruising. Appearing as if un-hit ?. I offered the loan of my 25 06 before, maybe I should have offered my dog ?

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

I have seen two deer shot with a 7m08 since December and actually cut one up last night. Two is a small sample I know, but do they always run 25-30 metres after being shot in the chest with full penetration and yet massive internal damage and hydraulic bruising. Appearing as if un-hit ?. I offered the loan of my 25 06 before, maybe I should have offered my dog ?

Last 2 I shot moved a total (combined) of 0.0 metres, unless you factor in the height that they fell.

On another note, I think I could succumb to the siren call of a 25/06 in a weak moment. The more I read, the more curious I get about trying one.

My first rifle was a P14 303...all I could afford. As soon as the student loan $ came through I bought one of the first Browning A-Bolts (factory fluted bolt) and after much research in 25-06. It shot thar, wallabies, and a big close to 40x40 stag in the upper Waimak. 117gn hornady were good but I switched to 100gn hornady with 50gn 2209 - great load. The lack of a good bc and limited downrange energy are downsides.

Originally Posted by Tikka7mm08

My first rifle was a P14 303...all I could afford. As soon as the student loan $ came through I bought one of the first Browning A-Bolts (factory fluted bolt) and after much research in 25-06. It shot thar, wallabies, and a big close to 40x40 stag in the upper Waimak. 117gn hornady were good but I switched to 100gn hornady with 50gn 2209 - great load. The lack of a good bc and limited downrange energy are downsides.


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If it has those major down sides.

They why did you get it. Doesn't seem like it's good for anything in particular

1200ft/lbs of energy is still pretty good at 600 yards but then if you were regularly shooting to 600 yards would you choose a 25-06?
Look at the difference in drop between the 25-06 and the CM!!!!!!

I went to 7mmRM after 2506. Now 280AI instead of 7mmRM. I guess I evolved

I wonder if any of the naysayers and people saying it shoots like shit long range remember that 25+years ago 400m was a bloody long shot.
Bugger all people were taking + 600m shots on game and if they said they were, you'd think they were talking shit unless you saw it yourself
Not many range finders around.
Up to 400m I'm sure it is way better than the smaller calibres regardless of the bc of the available projectiles
Different argument now as there is so much equipment and calibres that yes there are way better out there.
I'd still have one