Thread: 3 shot groups are useless!

Originally Posted by gimp

I'm not confident that there'll be egg. But you'll be better placed to make data-driven statements after the fact! (statements which are irrelevant to hunting at conventional ranges)

Sumarises the thread very nicely. But it also means my view of those who say (particularly when they are selling a rifle, be it used or new) that "its a tack driver, shoots MOA easy" is in most cases pure crap when based on a 3 shot group.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Is this 3 shot group of mine at 200 yards a reliable indicator of accuracy?? Seriously. Im sure this is how the absolute majority of hunters think.

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I shoot 3 shoot groups to establish and check my zero. Sometimes just 2 shots. Often. If they aren't .75" or under I go looking for the problem. If overlaid over say a year there would likely be a 1" group or under, with maybe the odd outlier. Isn't that enough? Oh, and I validate my drop charts at about 300 yards.

Later, after Gimps reply (below). This gun and others' will hold this game accuracy out to the max I shoot at of about 400 yards. I get probably 75% hits on game down to the size of wallaby at 400. I expect though that I would be a bit disappointed in the group size on paper at 400. And at Tentman's range days I would probably go home with my tail between my legs.

Hey its "minute of deer" and that's all a hunter needs.

Originally Posted by Tentman

Sumarises the thread very nicely. But it also means my view of those who say (particularly when they are selling a rifle, be it used or new) that "its a tack driver, shoots MOA easy" is in most cases pure crap when based on a 3 shot group.

many of us will debate that for hours - put a dry rag thru barrel- take to range - have an accurate shooter put 3 shots thru - that will show what the rifle is doing - in real terms - any more is just playing - now argue that logic as long as you like - but for me it is that first shot - why because I zero my rifles and all I want to know is has it held its zero - a 3 shot group has its place and is better than no shot group and just go on a reputation that it shoots

One shot zero is enough for my 308=a dead deer,bugger wasting ammo.

In the Olympics Of Missing The Point, you boys would be gold and silver in the Long Jump Over Reading Comprehension

Thank you Trout - logic - most of my zeroing is one shot to check - that's with my main hunting rifles - they dont move - they know they will be sold if they play up - then I play with my target .22,s and try to get good groups and test my eye out - dont care if I shoot 50 rounds playing with my .22 stuff

Originally Posted by gimp

In the Olympics Of Missing The Point, you boys would be gold and silver in the Long Jump Over Reading Comprehension

As amusing as I find this phrase, it is unkind and unhelpful of me

Originally Posted by 7mm Rem Mag

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Bronze!

Originally Posted by gimp

In the Olympics Of Missing The Point, you boys would be gold and silver in the Long Jump Over Reading Comprehension

Your point is made gimp and I think by most understood. But it seems that it is not relatable. That is the point.

I'm not sure the technical point has been understood - precisely because it isn't relatable. Because it doesn't materially have an impact on hunting efficacy at conventional ranges

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Originally Posted by gimp

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keep it up its great reading mate

Originally Posted by gimp

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If you shoot any 3 shot groups @Tentman is going to hunt you down and preach at your for days!

And don't you dare show any gong groups on a gong that is too big or a group off center plate, even if you are shooting to test precision and not accuracy!

Mean radius measurements make every shot of value. ..even 3 shot groups. Therefore your thread title isn't precise or accurate...