Thread: 600M GUN

For easily available ammo, good killing power pretty hard to go past 7mm rem mag or 300 win mag. If he's only shooting the odd deer or tahr then surely he can live with the recoil (shoot a brake or live with the suppressor weight, no free lunches), plus having a little extra grunt will help if shot placement is a little off, if he's willing to hunt that way. Not my cup of tea.
I'd want the factory stuff shooting at least 1/2 MOA. 600 metres is a fairly tough shot if there's anymore than a light breeze.

Check out some of the long range hunting guys on youtube, you'll see the wind drift they're dealing with. Practice will never make perfect when dealing with wind

There's nothing quite like a long range "hunting" thread to get the blood boiling.

And 600m isn't even long range!

Technically, 600m is medium range, according to... er... someone. NRA? http://longrangehunting.com? Nathan Foster?

Gotta love YouTube, it's created a whole new generation of long range hunters, almost overnight! Gotta love high BC long-for-calibre bullets too. You can do anything with those...

New Zealand is almost uniquely setup for longer range shooting of animals, due to the contour. Perfect valleys to shoot across. King Country, Western Ruapehu and Taranaki at the top of the list. Tumbling goats! And in some circumstances, that can be a significant plus for the farmers who otherwise might really struggle to clear goats off their back blocks, those with a boundary to the native.

But lighthearted banter aside... its a serious business.

Anyone that cannot recite their drops off by heart shouldn't even think about it.

But I will lay a polite challenge to the auto-naysayers, and say that fast kill rates are maybe a lot higher that you might think, in practiced hands, especially on smaller animals like goats, yearling deer, medium pigs. Yes of course you get the odd fail and anyone that says they don't is a liar, but that's no different to lost deer at close range in the woods. It happens.

Personally, I'm very comfortable in the 400-600m, with my setup. It's limited, and I know what those limits are. Occasionally, in perfect circumstances in terrain I know like the back of my hand, I'll go a little longer. Goats and small deer. To a large extent, its a prerequisite of the permission, there's an expectation that my efforts will return a suitable number of dead pests. It's important that I can deliver to that expectation.

If I want a decent sized meat animal that I can recover, I move to flatter contour and get a shit load closer! Simple really.

Sometimes, as hunters, the pest control type shooting muddies the waters. And a lot of that makes it onto YouTube and I think that's a problem. The standard content warning "This is a hunting video, viewer discretion advised" actually should say "This is a pest control video". The outcome is no different to the videos of terriers catching rats. Dead animals left to rot. Totally different business.

Yes of course there is an obligation to kill humanely, but in practical terms the rules of engagement are different to the purist meat hunter, who is shooting for the table. You can throw spotlighting pest deer into the mix, or WARO on private land. Necessary work. Enjoyable, if that's your thing. There's no obligation or expectation that every animal will be recovered, the last one I was involved in the recovery rate was around 70%, all for pet food.

So shooting animals at 600m, or whatever range you consider "long" and for many that's anything over 200m, is a more complex issue than it is often regarded on these kinds of threads.

If I can't get to it, and I want to recover it, I don't shoot it, no matter what the range. If I don't need to recover it, then I might shoot it, if my assessment of the variables is positive. Nothing more to it.

Quote..”Its still a retarded idea to try and push that size projectile from the o8 case though right? Why would you go to all that trouble when almost everything in the gun world is a better option?”


I rest my case....some people actually learn some things... me too

Quote”...Its still a retarded idea “

Who’s retarded

.358 winchester anyone????

Lol

What a fucking hoot this thread is!

If you can whack a rabbit out to 230ish metres you can whack a deer at 600.
If you can't do the first don't do the second.

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

What a fucking hoot this thread is!

If you can whack a rabbit out to 230ish metres you can whack a deer at 600.
If you can't do the first don't do the second.

I've always found that a drop of 3-1 oil down the barrel for long distance shots from my Winchester 1902 in 22 standard velocity. Hair line cracks began to appear at the muzzle. I was told that this is a common failure when over stressing the firearm from taking long distance shots. No more cracks in 40 odd years.

Originally Posted by outlander

I've always found that a drop of 3-1 oil down the barrel for long distance shots from my Winchester 1902 in 22 standard velocity. Hair line cracks began to appear at the muzzle. I was told that this is a common failure when over stressing the firearm from taking long distance shots. No more cracks in 40 odd years.

I'm sorry but I fail to see how the distance your shooting at has any effect on the barrel causing cracks etc, it wouldn't make any difference if you were shooting at 20 yards or 200 yards the projectile still travel down the barrel the same.
If your getting hairline cracks surely that is ftom misuse or poor quality materials....just saying

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

What a fucking hoot this thread is!

If you can whack a rabbit out to 230ish metres you can whack a deer at 600.
If you can't do the first don't do the second.

How you going down south WH?Yes rabbits on a good day no problem at 400yds-500yds as HC and I know.Mind you we got the space and rabbits to practice on.

Originally Posted by Trout

How you going down south WH?Yes rabbits on a good day no problem at 400yds-500yds as HC and I know.Mind you we got the space and rabbits to practice on.

shooting a rabbit at 230 metres is a hell of a lot different than shooting a deer at 600m, a rabbit will die from a shot thats not placed perfectly anyhow due to his small bodysize and the energy the projectile imparts at that range, you have quite a bit of room for error that will still result in a quick death, shooting a deer at 600m you dont have that room for error at all

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

shooting a rabbit at 230 metres is a hell of a lot different than shooting a deer at 600m, a rabbit will die from a shot thats not placed perfectly anyhow due to his small bodysize and the energy the projectile imparts at that range, you have quite a bit of room for error that will still result in a quick death, shooting a deer at 600m you dont have that room for error at all

do the maths...it will/should tell all
rabbit weights about 500grms half a kg....maybe up to a kg if been on really good tucker
22lr projectiles weight 35-40 grains so what??? about 2 grams???
so a 250th or a500th of weight of animal
deer weighs 50-100kgs
so would need to be hit with a 50-100grm projectile for it to be similar..thats grams not grains

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

do the maths...it will/should tell all
rabbit weights about 500grms half a kg....maybe up to a kg if been on really good tucker
22lr projectiles weight 35-40 grains so what??? about 2 grams???
so a 250th or a500th of weight of animal
deer weighs 50-100kgs
so would need to be hit with a 50-100grm projectile for it to be similar..thats grams not grains

I dont think the original poster meant shooting a rabbit at 230m with a 22lr, just shooting a rabbit fullstop at 230m

I'm impressed you own a .22. I don't.

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

I'm impressed you own a .22. I don't.

It's a beast alright. Always go for the single shot buggers...less bullet resistance.