Thread: Acceptable group size at long range ?

Your a hard man Don, we will see at the club shoot won't we?

The accuracy of that barrel is the only thing stopping me screwing on a true flight at the moment, if it shot .60 it would be on there now!

Quoting your best groups isn't what this threat is about its about hunting rifle accuracy, I'm willing to bet we wont be seeing any 1 inch groups at 400 yards at a club shoot

Put it this way Greg, Iv had two loads that would consistently shoot under half on a bad day. I dont use either.
The loads i use run half to 3/4 and the other 3/4 to one.
I use these because the pills suit the application and the others didn't.
As you know I'm not really a long range shooter but even with this shot gun patterning could still hit B/Bs 1140 plate once I had wind-age sorted using hold over cos Id run out of up. Yep its a BIG plate. Would I try a shot on an animal at that not bloody likely
I'm not really a long ranger as you know but the way I look at it is this.

Animals= 6" inch group is max for me
Rifles max range is the point at which velocity drops below reliable expansion regardless of energy (1000 foot pounds who came up with that?)
So I have a theoretical max range of around 600y with the lowly .308 on a animal so i only need MOA any better is a bonus.
Would I try it on an animal? Yep but only in perfect conditions nowhere near enough experience picking the wind.
Steel how big is the plate, how far do you want to shoot? Does it even matter if your having fun and learning a bit?

Exactly.

1 MOA under all conditions is a far better criteria than .25 under perfect, and its a waste of time getting it to that point anyway, unless your 6.5 06 is a BR rifle.

Chris

Originally Posted by crnkin

Exactly.

1 MOA under all conditions is a far better criteria than .25 under perfect, and its a waste of time getting it to that point anyway, unless your 6.5 06 is a BR rifle.

Chris

Who gave you permission to speak? ofcoarse its a waste of time unless you get a pmII everything else is pooze... ah crankamator ;0

Originally Posted by Tui4Me

The thread is about what shooters think is an acceptable average 3 shot group size, at long range, in good conditions, with normalish LR rigs.

I am saying that with a bit of longer range load development, 1/4 MOA should and will be possible for many of the blokes here. Especially with their flash 'Normalish' LR rigs i see posted and commented about.

My 7mm is not the only Sendero ive seen capable of 1/4 at long range, I have asked a lot of questions to a lot of people regarding this, especialy with a skim bed and decent load development they can shoot bloody well. You can spend thousands on a custom rifle and still not get the accuracy of a Sendero if you get a good one.

As you are personaly bringing my rifle into the equation, I am not quoting 1 off best groups here as you say, im quoting frequent groups shot in small strings over a period of visits to the range.

A Sendero is a rifle that many would class as basic long range rig, so why with a bit of effort could 1/4 MOA not be expected at long range with a more custom rifle?

Variables brother

I would love to see a target with say, 10 .25moa squares and 1 shot through each

Originally Posted by gimp

I would love to see a target with say, 10 .25moa squares and 1 shot through each

Haha, i dont think you wil have as many takers as your last challange..

Originally Posted by Tui4Me

Haha, i dont think you wil have as many takers as your last challange..

Im guessing he would be happy with just one taker.

Originally Posted by gimp

I would love to see a target with say, 10 .25moa squares and 1 shot through each

It would be pretty hard as there would be a requirement to change position slightly. Can be done in smallbore often enough. Gunna give this a go but it would have to be witnessed.
Powder burns on the target might be a bit obvious

Originally Posted by R93

It would be pretty hard as there would be a requirement to change position slightly. Can be done in smallbore often enough. Gunna give this a go but it would have to be witnessed.
Powder burns on the target might be a bit obvious

Don't forget we are talking LR here 4-500 yards minimum

What if someone shoots x5 two shot groups that measure 1.25" at 500?

That's still 10rounds?

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Don't forget we are talking LR here 4-500 yards minimum

How do you see and hold on 1.25' bulls at 500 Greg? I only have a 16x. Until I upgrade to the March or NF. Mirage is an issue where I shoot as well. I think a series of consecutive groups, up to 10 rounds or more, witnessed would be the ticket.
1.25 consistently? Ya might fluke it on a good day but as we know the variables change from shot to shot and over 10 rounds it can be quite a bit.
Still, I have some new brass to stretch when I get home, if I get a good day and Tui_man or BB shows up for a shot I am sure we will have to give it a go.
Have fluked a 3 shot group that went sub inch @ 500 then followed it up with a 6 inch + group due to wind. It was under an inch vertically but waterlined at 6' in bugger all readable wind. Still a dead animal at the max range I would try and take one so good enough.

Originally Posted by R93

How do you see and hold on 1.25' bulls at 500 Greg? I only have a 16x. Until I upgrade to the March or NF. Mirage is an issue where I shoot as well. I think a series of consecutive groups, up to 10 rounds or more, witnessed would be the ticket.
1.25 consistently? Ya might fluke it on a good day but as we know the variables change from shot to shot and over 10 rounds it can be quite a bit.
Still, I have some new brass to stretch when I get home, if I get a good day and Tui_man or BB shows up for a shot I am sure we will have to give it a go.
Have fluked a 3 shot group that went sub inch @ 500 then followed it up with a 6 inch + group due to wind. It was under an inch vertically but waterlined at 6' in bugger all readable wind. Still a dead animal at the max range I would try and take one so good enough.

You aim for a larger bull, say 4" and hope for the best

You would struggle to do it in a single string I reckon, need to do it over 3 or so days with a nice cool barrel each time.

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Don't forget we are talking LR here 4-500 yards minimum

I'm not...


Now that I'm not on my iphone,

I mean let's see someone/people shoot and hit 10 .25" dots at 100 yards from field positions (bipod and rear bag, or whatever), breaking position between shots. Simulating trying to get a first round hit on a .25 MOA target in the field. If you think that's too easy then sure, have a go at 500, but if you can't hit a .25MOA target everytime in the absence of all the atmospherics etc that come into play at long range, then there's not much point in worrying about whether your rifle groups tightly enough to at longer ranges


Groups are almost irrelevant, they mean nothing about your ability to hit a target, which is the goal of shooting things.