Thread: An accuracy challenge

G'Day Fella's,

Here is a 5 group shot with my .22-250AI.


I'm not sure what the rifle is capable of shooting, as it would need a better BR shooter than me, to do it!

Doh!
Homer

Gimp posted a challenge and so far in this post I've seen a few good groups but not 5 good groups, I have attached 6 targets all are 5 shot groups, 5 were shot at 100yds and 1 was shot at 200yds. All groups were measured independantly, all of the groups were shot outside with the wind doing what it does with bullets. Conditions were switchy and gusty.







So 0.192" + 0.242 + 0.211 +0.222 + 0.193" = 1.060" divide by 5 = 0.212"
0.396" divided by 2 (to get the 100 yd measurement) = 0.198"

1.060 + 0.198 = 1.258 divide by 6 (to get the aggregate of the 6 groups) = 0.2097"

Can this rifle do this all the time YES if I feed it the ammo it likes and I do MY part........the limiting factor is can "I" do this all the time "NO".......Kiwi

Originally Posted by Kiwishooter

Gimp posted a challenge and so far in this post I've seen a few good groups but not 5 good groups, I have attached 6 targets all are 5 shot groups, 5 were shot at 100yds and 1 was shot at 200yds. All groups were measured independantly, all of the groups were shot outside with the wind doing what it does with bullets. Conditions were switchy and gusty.







So 0.192" + 0.242 + 0.211 +0.222 + 0.193" = 1.060" divide by 5 = 0.212"
0.396" divided by 2 (to get the 100 yd measurement) = 0.198"

1.060 + 0.198 = 1.258 divide by 6 (to get the aggregate of the 6 groups) = 0.2097"

Can this rifle do this all the time YES if I feed it the ammo it likes and I do MY part........the limiting factor is can "I" do this all the time "NO".......Kiwi

Very nice shooting were the targets in question shot in competition with a target rifle?

Originally Posted by Homer

G'Day Fella's,

Here is a 5 group shot with my .22-250AI.
Attachment 1448

I'm not sure what the rifle is capable of shooting, as it would need a better BR shooter than me, to do it!

Doh!
Homer

What range do you shoot on in Canberra? Kiwi

Originally Posted by Homer

G'Day Fella's,

Here is a 5 group shot with my .22-250AI.
Attachment 1448


Doh!
Homer

I'm not sure what the rifle is capable of shooting, as it would need a better BR shooter than me, to do it!

It seems to be plenty good enough Homer. Its a hunting rig? If so and its consistent it wont need to be any better. Nice.

Being able to hit at random distances with a single shot is very, very difficult, especially as those distances increase in randomness.[ if that is a word]
I have seen esteemed members of this fine establishment miss first shots at under 300yrds with rifle and scopes combinations that will shoot 5 shots under an inch at 100.I have also seen these same guys take first shot kills out to 500.
To me, shooting good groups is basic, it must be done at a nominated range, mostly at 100yrds, to enable the shooter to have confidence in his/her ability and the ability of the rifle. Confidence in your rifle and your own ability, is to me at least 80% of the equation.
The harder 20% is reading the wind on longer shots.

Impressive Rifle/ load details?

an example of the shooter not doing his part with my light rifle in 7mmSAUM.... Didn't let the rifle cool enough between shots, fluffing the odd one including one shot at the wrong target

3 shot groups are easy but with a light barrel and warm gun and starting to snatch the trigger (light rifle, no break and 180's doing 2700+ recoil is getting up there a little ) those last to shots quite often stuff things up. Recoil flinch is defintly part of it and I need to do more with the 243AI again to stop snatching at the trigger...no chance of whatching the impact with the 7mm

I should have taken more rounds for the other rifles I had there to do some free standing shots between shots with the 7mm so it let it cool me...to impatient...

And I will sort a break one day

Originally Posted by leathel

an example of the shooter not doing his part with my light rifle in 7mmSAUM.... Didn't let the rifle cool enough between shots, fluffing the odd one including one shot at the wrong target

3 shot groups are easy but with a light barrel and warm gun and starting to snatch the trigger (light rifle, no break and 180's doing 2700+ recoil is getting up there a little ) those last to shots quite often stuff things up. Recoil flinch is defintly part of it and I need to do more with the 243AI again to stop snatching at the trigger...no chance of whatching the impact with the 7mm

I should have taken more rounds for the other rifles I had there to do some free standing shots between shots with the 7mm so it let it cool me...to impatient...

And I will sort a break one day

Still, it is easy to see the rifle is a straight shooter taking all the factors you have mentioned into account. What do lighter projectiles shoot like?

Originally Posted by R93

Still, it is easy to see the rifle is a straight shooter taking all the factors you have mentioned into account. What do lighter projectiles shoot like?

The 140 VLD's and AB's shoot very very well just run out of puff at 700 and more importantly hard to sort windage in the valleys we shoot, Mostly 600-700 across so the 180VLD is the ticket. It doesn't seam to like the 160AB and 162, Just can't get reliable groups with them ?????

Never shoot more than 3 shot quick lots in the feild anyway and in the field flinch/ recoil is less of an issue. Those groups were the last for the day so allready had 25 rounds of 160's at 3K which kick just as hard so hense the snatching at the trigger Looking at getting some Barnes 140's for bush but the mag length 180VLD still shot pretty good so will try that on animals first

Originally Posted by leathel

The 140 VLD's and AB's shoot very very well just run out of puff at 700 and more importantly hard to sort windage in the valleys we shoot, Mostly 600-700 across so the 180VLD is the ticket. It doesn't seam to like the 160AB and 162, Just can't get reliable groups with them ?????

Never shoot more than 3 shot quick lots in the feild anyway and in the field flinch/ recoil is less of an issue. Those groups were the last for the day so allready had 25 rounds of 160's at 3K which kick just as hard so hense the snatching at the trigger Looking at getting some Barnes 140's for bush but the mag length 180VLD still shot pretty good so will try that on animals first

I have a .223 that wont shoot 60-62 gr pills but shoots everthing either side. Annoying.
Where do the lighter pills lose it leathal, wind, stability or your just not happy with them.
Just reread your post properly. Gotya. I use 130's in my 6.5 and it is around the same, about 700 it loses it in energy. But I still in fair/good conditions push it further on targets. I like trying to nut out decieving winds. just dont like wasting the ammo it sometimes takes doing it

Originally Posted by R93

I have a .223 that wont shoot 60-62 gr pills but shoots everthing either side. Annoying.
Where do the lighter pills lose it leathal, wind, stability or your just not happy with them.

Lighter pills, the 140VLD has blown up to close (muliple exit holes even on goats) ...and the AB has penciled out further. Wind and lack of energy is the main reason I dropped them, the AB I would keep for a bush load if the POI was the same as the 180VLD but its not and I dont want to have to dial back to a different zero for the bush load. Will try the POI for the barnes but the 180VLD should be OK still up close.. I hope...

Originally Posted by leathel

an example of the shooter not doing his part with my light rifle in 7mmSAUM.... Didn't let the rifle cool enough between shots, fluffing the odd one including one shot at the wrong target

3 shot groups are easy but with a light barrel and warm gun and starting to snatch the trigger (light rifle, no break and 180's doing 2700+ recoil is getting up there a little ) those last to shots quite often stuff things up. Recoil flinch is defintly part of it and I need to do more with the 243AI again to stop snatching at the trigger...no chance of whatching the impact with the 7mm

I should have taken more rounds for the other rifles I had there to do some free standing shots between shots with the 7mm so it let it cool me...to impatient...

And I will sort a break one day

The groups look good, what direction was the wind blowing?? And in which order did you shoot the groups??......Kiwi

Originally Posted by Kiwishooter

The groups look good, what direction was the wind blowing?? And in which order did you shoot the groups??......Kiwi

very little wind, center first with a mag box length, Rifle was shooting high and right with the 162 amax and Munster Jnr was sighting his 308 in and need help hense the wrong target shot after being distracted in the first group...then top two which were at two different seating depths then the lower left, Lower left was with Retumbo as I am nearly out of 2225 so I will have to tweek the load a little by the looks but I will load the remander of what I have in 2225 to the top right setup as I know I pulled number five on that. I caught myself shutting my eyes while snatching the trigger on a couple of the later shots in the groups. More time needed on rifles like my 243AI as I have not shot much of late and that is a pleasure to shoot with the suppressor on and is just as accurate and the Rum that is loud but doesnt kick so between the two the flinch gets sorted pretty quick

Originally Posted by leathel

very little wind, center first with a mag box length, Rifle was shooting high and right with the 162 amax and Munster Jnr was sighting his 308 in and need help hense the wrong target shot after being distracted in the first group...then top two which were at two different seating depths then the lower left, Lower left was with Retumbo as I am nearly out of 2225 so I will have to tweek the load a little by the looks but I will load the remander of what I have in 2225 to the top right setup as I know I pulled number five on that. I caught myself shutting my eyes while snatching the trigger on a couple of the later shots in the groups. More time needed on rifles like my 243AI as I have not shot much of late and that is a pleasure to shoot with the suppressor on and is just as accurate and the Rum that is loud but doesnt kick so between the two the flinch gets sorted pretty quick

I like the look of your groups, but my thoughts on the ones out to the left and right is more likely wind Do you use and wind flags when you are shooting? Any variation in wind will alter the impact point of a projectile. I've shot the rifle and others in conditions that don't move windflags much at all and ended up with groups 3 times the size of the ones I posted.
Before I started competition shooting I never used windflags and spent quite a bit of time trying to get small groups and find out why the good load I found last trip to the range didn't shoot as well this time.....very frustrating. After taking up competition shooting it finally dawned on me how much the wind affects a projectile, now I'd never go to the range without wind flags.............even a simple ribbon tied to a stick placed at 20 40 and 60 yds is better than nothing.........Kiwi