Thread: B Cat Holder Wanted!!

Your latest post is nothing like your last. I would have to agree and sympathize with you on the last one.
I know and accept the military or police do not know everything or what is best. But in some cases, the standard of training and expectations in certain roles is higher than you will ever encounter on the outside. It has to be, or any muppet could be SAS for example.
As ebf said there are many different branches of both that require different standards. They can be worlds apart, even in the same unit.

Plonkers that show up to shoots and announce they are military or police are just plonkers. IMO they are generally dishonest and have not learnt that actions speak way louder than words.

I know a lot of people would disagree, but I get a tad defensive when the military (Army) is challenged on here. I always will, and make no apologies for it as long as I dont get banned.
I have had a pleasure and the privilage as a soldier, to see and do things that a lot of people could or would not do. I was able to do it with some of the highest calibre Kiwis, I consider a privilage, just to know.
I know it is not always intended and usually I can handle being insulted personally, but not them.

Analytical buggers, those "Drop Shorts" (Arty)

Originally Posted by Spanners

Fundamentally different ?? The fundamentals of grip, stance and sight picture should not change

Some of the fundamentals are different. Stance/concealment is a good example. Weapon retention is another, pretty important if you are a police officer, a non issue for Joe Blogs at the range.

But I think you misunderstood me, the difference I am talking about is that military training (at least at the basic level) is all about bare bones competency, and also uniformity. In a platoon you want people to do things the same way. You also learn a different skill set in terms of firing while moving, house clearing etc. bottom line is they teach you how to be a soldier, and how to react in combat.

Civilian competitive shooting is all about individual excellence, and fine tuned to a particular discipline like IPSC.

Most first world countries, including New Zealand, now use electronic systems to do qualification, and also to diagnose problems with rifle skills. These things show you all kinds of detail about sights, barrel movement etc.

And thus the issue of no tone and context via short text.
It's a lot easier to discuss with words spoken rather than iPhone screen
Intention/point/argument is still the same, maybe 5th time lucky we're getting there lol

For fucks sake.

Are you guys trying to get fit by typing or something ??


Tim

What a rant ! at the pistol club I belong to there are several serving police officers who shoot at the club to get more range time to improve their shooting skills - training and range time are both required to excell, just look at the rounds shot by the top IPSC guys or the military elite

Originally Posted by Tussock

It's an internet forum not high tea.

Acknowledged , however

FFS !!!!

Anyway all the foaming mouths seem to have died down now...

Or maybe they're Saving their energy

Tim

Shit is this thread still going? I've been too busy down at the pistol range to notice....

Originally Posted by Dougie

Shit is this thread still going? I've been too busy down at the pistol range to notice....

mee tooo, .45ACP rules

Originally Posted by Dougie

Shit is this thread still going? I've been too busy down at the pistol range to notice....

You started it Dougie.

What some are missing is that when it comes to "Millitary Shooting" it is a case of "Fit for Purpose" .This is where the trainee only needs to attain a certain level of proficency.For example a ShitHawk piolot who got a score of(air to ground) 20 out of 100 was a good shot ,if a grunt got that he would have his arse kicked till his nose bleed.
It is all about what use the Trainee will put his skills to ,a grunt dose not engage in individual combat where a SAS man will (so he needs to be more proficent in his shooting) and your Airforce /Navy types are better off dropping the rifle & running away.
So if the purpose of this thread ,for Dougie ,is to pass a police proficency test then learn from a police shooter .If it is to learn how to shoot go to a shooting club.

Originally Posted by Tankd

your Airforce /Navy types are better off dropping the rifle & running away.

LMAO at that one. I have shot with some good shooters from either branch, but that was funny.

Originally Posted by R93

I have shot with some good shooters from either branch, but that was funny.

Yes but being Army you would never admit to it unless it was their shout. Ha ha ha ha

Originally Posted by Rushy

Yes but being Army you would never admit to it unless it was their shout. Ha ha ha ha

So very true.

Will this thread make it to 10 pages ?