Thread: Call to Arms

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Shot Stug, just found that and they are all getting a bomb Very polite bomb.

It is fairly clear that the vast majority of licence holders have no problem with police usurping the power of parliament and making up the law to suit themselves. Most have no problem filling out an illegal form to purchase arms and ammunition by mail that allows police to compile an illegal register of firearms held by licence holders. Most have no problem purchasing more expensive lockups for their firearms when police demand the extra security in return for processing a licence application. Most have no problem with allowing contractors to record and photograph the contents of their safes to add to the illegal register.
So I expect that most will have no problem that the police have gone to their minister with a request to have their illegal activities made Law. Most will welcome the additional restrictions on their sport as well as the warrantless searches of their properties proposed by the Law & Order committee as a condition of their license.
As can be seen from this Petition, it can't even attain 5000 signatures against illegal police policy measures.https://www.change.org/p/the-honoura...ot-the-problem

Originally Posted by Longranger

It appears the Waiuku Pistol Club has a really bright Secretary......very ably supported by a lawful respectful Committee. There has been not a word of dissent from them.....!

This guy owns firearms.....maybe he should not be labled a "fit and proper person"........
https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-useful-idiot/

He was the President, and did some good work pulling the club back from the brink.
I think club rules dictated he couldn't do another term in that role, but is now the Secretary, but acts as pseudo President.....unfortunately he used his position to expound his personal views in the club news newsletter and is therefore seen as representing the views of the club members.
Personally I've come to dislike his sneering, condescending approach to others while on the range.

Now seen as a Toss Pot which is unfortunate.

B

Originally Posted by JWB

It is fairly clear that the vast majority of licence holders have no problem with police usurping the power of parliament and making up the law to suit themselves. Most have no problem filling out an illegal form to purchase arms and ammunition by mail that allows police to compile an illegal register of firearms held by licence holders. Most have no problem purchasing more expensive lockups for their firearms when police demand the extra security in return for processing a licence application. Most have no problem with allowing contractors to record and photograph the contents of their safes to add to the illegal register.
So I expect that most will have no problem that the police have gone to their minister with a request to have their illegal activities made Law. Most will welcome the additional restrictions on their sport as well as the warrantless searches of their properties proposed by the Law & Order committee as a condition of their license.
As can be seen from this Petition, it can't even attain 5000 signatures against illegal police policy measures.https://www.change.org/p/the-honoura...ot-the-problem

Never seen it, as most wouldnt have.

the sooner politicians differentiate the difference between law abiding FAL's users and crims the better. its election year so i encourage those who haven't to get off yer fat bums and start writing

Originally Posted by Savage1

I haven't been keeping up with his thread, but seeing what Cahill has been saying I'm going to take some time to write him a pretty firm letter.

@Savage1

What did you say? Did you receive a response?

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Originally Posted by FOUNZ

It looks like another A Cat Semi Auto has been added to the E Cat import list.

A dealer has been in touch with us about the new police policy that we highlighted in Saturdays post. This time the dealer was told he cant bring in A Cat, AK type firearms.

His AO informed him “Dealers can not stock a semi-auto that has potential to be converted to E”

This policy could be applied to all semi autos! Ruger 10/22’s, Berretta shotguns, you name it.

Are the police reclassifying all semi autos Paula Bennett? Just to remind you, the gun owning public slammed Chris Cahill over his attitude towards sportspeople who owned semi autos. Yet here we are with the police going ahead with a disruptive policy to prevent legitimate A cat sporting firearms into the country.

FOUNZ is unaware of any facility in the legislation that allows police to reclassify semi autos as E Cat except to go through the Order in Council process.

It doesn't stop:

Originally Posted by FOUNZ

Ron Mark – NZ First MP and Richard Prosser MP – New Zealand First List MP have posted about their disappointment of the Arms Officer not showing up at last weekends gun show.

An arms officer is required for the sale of endorsed firearms that occurs at these shows.

Its also a great opportunity for the Arms Officer to meet with the very people he represents.

What we are witnessing is the complete break down and dysfunction of Paula Bennett‘s arms office.

https://www.facebook.com/RonMarkMP/post ... 9832912809

I am applying for permits. See how I get on.

Year keep us posted thanks Beavis.

But either way you look at this it's not good, if this is what they are doing!

Just goes to show they DO have a hidden agenda and they are now using it

Originally Posted by Beavis

I am applying for permits. See how I get on.

And then this... The plot thickens:

FYI - Sent from AC Rusbatch today

Dear FCAF members,

You may have seen some social media commentary made over the weekend by FOUNZ members relating to the classification of MSSAs.

However, I can advise that this commentary is incorrect – Police has not changed its policy or approach regarding the classification of MSSAs.

In response, we will be providing the information below to the firearms community on our website and through other appropriate channels.

We would be grateful if you could please circulate this to your members.

Thank you


Mike Rusbatch
Assistant Commissioner: Response and Operations
Police National Headquarters | 180 Molesworth Street | PO Box 3017 | Wellington 6140 |
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Police approach to MSSA classification remains unchanged

In response to recent information being circulated within the firearms community regarding the classification of A-category firearms – and in particular AR15 type semi-automatic firearms – Police confirms that the classification and rules regarding the importation of these weapons has not changed.

Specifically:

• People can still continue to apply to import A-category firearms as they always have – no special reasons are required. This classification and its interpretation by Police has not changed, despite what has been circulated through social media.

• 28,000 A-category firearms were imported into New Zealand in 2016 and these will continue to be imported in 2017 under the same classification rules.

• There has been no re-classification of AR15 type semi-automatic weapons nor has Police made any proposal – an individual or a dealer can still continue to apply to import these weapons. These continue to be treated as an either an A-category or an E-category firearm depending on the individual specifications of the firearm.

• The Arms Act has always required importer to obtain a permit to bring in “parts” of firearms to New Zealand and a special reason is required to import MSSA parts. To deliver on the intent of the Act Police needs to consider whether the application relates to a part of a MSSA or part of an A category firearm. Where it is possible that the part could be either for an A category or an E category firearm Police is required to seek further clarification about the intended use of the part.

• Police cannot change the classification of firearms by making an Order-in-Council. Any such proposal would need to be approved by Cabinet and be signed by the Governor-General

• Police continues to administer the Arms Act and remains committed to working with the firearms community to promote the safe use and management of firearms. Anyone with questions regarding Police’s approach to firearms licensing or management is encouraged to contact us directly or through the Firearms Community Advisory Forum.

• Police’s first priority remains the safe, secure and lawful use of firearms and effective administration of the Arms Act as part of our commitment to safer communities together.

Seems they have "Administration" confused with "Discrimination" - if the above statement is completely factual, we could all be excused for not believing it until the actions of the Police match their words...

That sounds a lot like the response to the updated arms code, it was all of several minutes before the hard copies that haddnt been printed were being shown on here.... emails off to Gerry and Paula

Originally Posted by Nickoli

Seems they have "Administration" confused with "Discrimination" - if the above statement is completely factual, we could all be excused for not believing it until the actions of the Police match their words...

Surely it would make more sense not to believe all the hysterical shit posted about police reclassifying all AR15s without some proof other than what someone posted on Facebook?