Thread: Call to Arms

Originally Posted by systolic

Surely it would make more sense not to believe all the hysterical shit posted about police reclassifying all AR15s without some proof other than what someone posted on Facebook?

I tend to believe the dealers (whose livelihood depends on their dealing in firearms) that were approached by police and told this very thing:

Originally Posted by NZAR15.com Facebook page

Fuck where do I start.

As a business I rely on a positive relationship with Police HQ. They administer the Arms Act. They control my business.

I have witnessed a lot of bullshit over the last 18 months from Police HQ. Implementation of policies that do everthing to hinder law abiding firearm owners. You will have seen a few of the antics published on FOUNZ. However I have ALWAYS played their game so that I could stay in business. I have gone beyond what I think any other dealer would do, to be seen as nothing but an honest and upstanding dealer.
For example twice this year I have had parts that have come through customs that I didn't order. I asked the AO to come around and take them away for destruction. This was thousands of dollars worth of gear.
So on Saturday why would I bite the hand that feeds me. Why would I take my version of events to FOUNZ?
On Friday I was told by my AO that he could no longer issue import permits for A Category AR15s and A Cat AR15 receivers. That instead I need to apply for these as E Cat and provide a business case to convert them to A Cat on landing in NZ. Thinking of my business and my lively hood with alarm bells going off, I feebly agreed. In the meantime I rang the lawyer for advice. His recommendation was no don't do it. I quickly got back in touch with the Arms Officer and said no. I want these as A Cat only. He then resubmitted my permits as A Cat. I also told him I wanted a confirmation by the end of the day how they were going to treat my application.
At the close of business I was told "Sorry but there will be no decision today - will keep you updated"
A sleepless night later I decided that this needed to go public.

I'm over this shit from Police HQ. Ive had enough. Please read between the lines of anything they publish.

https://www.facebook.com/nzar15

So, the above combined with police's recent track record of releasing hard copies of their policy changes (at significant tax payer expense) and then suddenly performing an about turn on those policies, with the lamest excuse imaginable, their fabricated campaign with their media allies about the firearm crime "problem"... It's another in a series of events that does not cast their integrity in a positive light.

Or, if giving them the benefit of the doubt - it at perhaps shows the arms officer and POLHQ are not communicating effectively.

At the moment I am more likely to believe Farcebook than PHQ. Sad aye...

Originally Posted by systolic

Surely it would make more sense not to believe all the hysterical shit posted about police reclassifying all AR15s without some proof other than what someone posted on Facebook?

Re-read the post Trollboy: anything could be true with the current administration. I'm not ever going to believe everything I see on Faecesbook, nor am I going to take anything a Troll says seriously either.... especially when they chose to start a sentence with "surely"

Originally Posted by systolic

Surely it would make more sense not to believe all the hysterical shit posted about police reclassifying all AR15s without some proof other than what someone posted on Facebook?

I dunno, I'd believe Ken over any AO these days, no problem, they're a pack of lying conniving cunts. Now, some random troll (#1003309) on the internet?

Ministers response:

Hon Paula Bennett
Minister of Police
14 June 2017
Media Statement
Government response to firearms select committee report
Police Minister Paula Bennett has today responded to the Law and Order Select Committee report on issues relating to the illegal possession of firearms.
The Select Committee’s terms of reference were to focus on how widespread firearms possession is amongst criminals – including gangs, how those people who don’t have a firearms licence come into possession of firearms and what changes, if any, would restrict the flow of firearms to criminals, gangs and people who don’t hold a licence.
“The committee made 20 recommendations. After careful consideration I’ve accepted seven, rejected 12, and recommended one proceed with changes,” Mrs Bennett says.
“We needed to strike the right balance between public safety and the rights of legal firearms owners. Although the report was well intended, I believe many of the recommendations would not decrease the flow of firearms to criminals and gangs but would unduly impact on legally licenced firearms users.
“I appointed two independent firearms experts to advise me. I’ve listened to their advice, advice from Police, read the recommendations from the select committee and I’ve taken on board feedback from the public.
“After careful consideration I have added two more recommendations to my response. One proposes the introduction of the power to suspend licences pending decision on revocation. This will give Police an alternative to cancelling a licence, for example in situations where someone has been charged with family violence, or where there are security issues that need to be resolved.
“I’m also proposing a Ministerial direction to the Police to require consultation with the firearms community when considering changes to the Arms Act and the interpretation of it.
“Nobody wants firearms getting into the hands of violent gang members but we also don’t want over the top rules and restrictions to be placed on hunters and shooters who manage their firearms responsibly.”
“My response to the report has been tabled in Parliament. We will now begin a policy process around the recommendations we are progressing which will involve consultation, looking at costs and any regulatory impacts before coming back to Cabinet for approval later this year,” Mrs Bennett says.
Summary of the Government Response
Recommendation Number
Summarised Recommendation
Government Response Summarised
Sale and supply of firearms and ammunition
1
A firearms licence required to possess ammunition
Reject
2
A dealer’s licence required to sell ammunition
Reject
3
Dealers required to keep records of ammunition sales
Reject
4
Registration process for websites facilitating trading in firearms, parts, or ammunition
Amend recommendation - Do not introduce registration but clarify ‘mail order’ process applies to online sales in Arms Amendment Bill
5
Permit to procure extended to cover all sales or transfers of firearms (i.e. include A category firearms)
Reject - but improve efficiency in current licensing and permitting processes.
Definition of military-style semi-automatics
6
Investigate the creation of a category of restricted semi-automatic rifle and shotgun
Reject
Effectiveness of licensing, training, and registering firearms
7
Implement firearm prohibition orders
Accept - include in the Arms (Firearm Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill
8
Codify the ‘fit and proper’ criteria in the Arms Act
Reject
9
Implement a stand-down period after licence revocation
Accept - include a 12 month stand -own period in the Arms (Firearm Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill
10
Clarify that gang members or prospects must not be considered ‘fit and proper’ to possess firearms
Accept - include in the Arms (Firearm Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill
11
Require Police to record serial numbers of all firearms upon renewal of licence or inspection of premises
Reject – voluntary process to continue
Criminal offending with firearms
12
Review the penalties in the Arms Act
Accept - progress in Arms Amendment Bill
13
Treat dealer offending as aggravated at sentencing
Reject
14
Determine appropriate security standards for A category licences
Accept - Police/firearms community advisory forum already commenced this process
15
Secure storage confirmed before licence or endorsement received
Reject
16
Allow Police to enter premises to inspect security of A category firearms
Reject
17
Failure to comply with storage regulations to result in mandatory revocation
Reject - but note new suspension of licence
Reducing the number of grey firearms
18
Clarify and publicise the extent of amnesty provisions in the Arms Act 1983
Accept - to progress in Arms Amendment Bill
19
Police publicise amnesty provisions
Reject
20
Check that firearms brought in on visitors permit are exported or transferred legally
Accept (administrative)
Additional Government Recommendations
1
Provide the power to suspend licences
Include in the Arms (Firearm Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill
2
Police to improve its consultative processes with the firearms community
Propose to give a Ministerial Directive to this end

I'm no expert but that seems quite reasonable? Can anyone call out any fish hooks?

Originally Posted by Gibo

I'm no expert but that seems quite reasonable? Can anyone call out any fish hooks?

That's a 10/10 result for us I reckon

Originally Posted by Tommy

That's a 10/10 result for us I reckon

I agree good result all things considered and how it could have gone.

The committee got a real slapping. Looks like the government is realizing the number of votes walking away. Now to give the nz police an equal slapping over their antics.

Yes, excellent result.

https://www.policeassn.org.nz/newsro...-firearms-cont

The scaremongering continues...

Originally Posted by Police Association

In one Police district alone, officers seized 525 firearms, and recorded 461 offences involving either breaches of the Arms Act or criminal use of a firearm in the last fiscal year,” Mr Cahill said.

I'd be interested to know what number are air rifles or toys. Also glaringly conspicuous by its absence in this press release is the word "semi-automatic".

Originally Posted by Ryan

https://www.policeassn.org.nz/newsro...-firearms-cont

The scaremongering continues...



I'd be interested to know what number are air rifles or toys.

Id be more interested to know how the lying bullshit artist cahill, thinks that placing restrictions on the law abiding will magically stop criminals form having firearms.

We know he just makes shit up, wouldnt surprise me if those numbers were too.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Id be more interested to know how the lying bullshit artist cahill, thinks that placing restrictions on the law abiding will magically stop criminals form having firearms.

Well that part's easy. He doesn't have to because crime reduction is not the purpose of this whole palava - it's only being window dressed as such. It's simply about control. Meth is a far more serious problem in this country and causes infinitely more societal and structural damage than illegal firearms, the latter tending to be readily associated with the former.

#priorities.