Thread: Call to Arms

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Originally Posted by 6x47

Was pissed off the other day

I got one of those recently too. 58 in non residential 50 zone

@Pengy The officer was low on their quota for the month.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

The officer was low on their quota for the month.

Oh but they said they don't have quotas remember...









...its "performance targets" now.

Originally Posted by GravelBen

Oh but they said they don't have quotas remember...









...its "performance targets" now.

.......or contacts with public......

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

From the Police Association's media release: “The Minister’s concern about ‘over the top’ rules and restrictions on hunters and shooters ignores the reality that New Zealand is awash with firearms and the majority of them are stolen,” he said.

Mr Cahill should be freaking fired for what is an absurd blatant lie. Majority of firearms are stolen!? Wtf man.

And as for calling us out saying: “Minister Bennett appears to have bowed to the pressure of the gun lobby which we believe represents fewer than 10,000 of the 240,000 licensed gun owners.

Bullshit You wish it was that low but I bet you my socks it is much, much higher then you have fabricated you absolute fruitcake.

I think he just got fired from the firearms group today?

Not Cahill, Scahill. Cahill as president of Police Association (Police Union) is not a Police Officer anymore.
Firearms guy was Chris Scahill.

The NZ Police Association, under the control of ardent anti gunner and bender of the truth, Chris Cahill, has launched their counter attack to the Governments response to the Select Committee. In their recently published Police Association Election Policy Document, he makes it very clear that he still wants registration and a crack down on firearm owners. You will note that almost all of his policy targets licenced owners, and not the actual criminals.

1.2 Firearms
The Police Association believes the government policy on firearms should:

» Move quickly to introduce the required law changes in order to implement the recommendations of the Law and Order Select Committee Inquiry into issues relating to the illegal possession of firearms.

» Introduce a firearms sale registration programme that requires the seller to notify Police of the certifiable details of the purchaser of all firearms.

» Introduce a firearms register which requires all firearms licence holders to list all firearms in their possession and advise Police of any purchases of new firearms.

» Stop any form of online sales of firearms and ammunition.

» Ensure legislation requires public safety to be the chief consideration of courts when adjudicating on firearm licensing issues.


1.2 Firearms
Possibly the most concerning issue facing policing in New Zealand in 2017 is the increasing availability of firearms to criminals, especially gang members. The Association receives almost daily reports from its members of officers being confronted
by offenders with firearms. There are also regular reports of gang affiliates located in possession of firearms, ranging from handguns to military style semi-automatic (MSSA) rifles. It is now commonplace to locate firearms when executing search warrants for methamphetamine.

This increasing availability of firearms to gang members, combined with the rising threat of inter-gang violence in an ongoing turf war for drug markets, poses a grave risk to public safety. Inter-gang conflict can result in innocent members of the public being caught in the crossfire. The tragic death of Jhia Te Tua in Whanganui in 2007 should not be forgotten. Stricter controls on the sale, supply and registration of firearms are required if New Zealand is to halt the flow of illegal firearms into the hands of criminals.

Customs figures show 40,000 firearms were imported into New Zealand in 2016 alone. While this includes soft airguns, it demonstrates that the legitimate supply of firearms is increasing at an alarming rate. Given there are only 242,000 licensed firearms holders in the country, and the vast majority of them will not have bought new firearms during this period, the Association is concerned about where many of these firearms end up.

In the reference for his statement of 40,000 firearms, he lists this:
NZ Herald OIA request NZ Customs (13/02/17) revealed 31 muzzle-loading firearms, 5461 shotguns, 15,836 rifles and 18,480 air-guns imported in 2016, and 94 firearms seized by Customs during that year.

So only 21,328 actual firearms were imported. Are dealers not allowed to import stock for sale?

Of 178 countries surveyed in the Geneva-based Small Arms Survey, New Zealand is 22nd in the world in gun ownership. We have an average of 22.6 firearms per 100 people, and close to one million civilian-owned firearms. However, the reality is that there is no accurate record of the stockpile of firearms in New Zealand at any given time. Nor is there an accurate record of the number of gun thefts and burglaries which are the easiest ways for criminals to access firearms.

That sounds like an NZ Police issue, not a legislative issue.

[I]While the licensing procedures for owning pistols and MSSAs in New Zealand is more rigorous than that for other categories of firearms, the variety of firearms New Zealanders can access is out of touch with similar jurisdictions such as Australia and the United Kingdom. The British public lost the right to own pistols following the 1996 Dunblane School massacre, and Australians forfeited their right to MSSAs after the Port Arthur massacre in the same year.

The Association wants New Zealanders to be cognisant of the risks associated with the existence of weapons such as non-sports use handguns and MSSAs in our communities. We have not been immune to lone wolf shootings, and we have watched in horror as terrorist threats are realised in many parts of the world. We believe the trade-off for New Zealanders having access to these powerful weapons should be better registration, and tracking of ownership and sales of firearms.

The Association believes the Law and Order Select Committee Inquiry into issues relating to the illegal possession of firearms has missed a serious opportunity to tighten up on the tens of thousands of firearms pouring into the country every year. We would have liked the committee to ask why New Zealanders need MSSAs and non-sports use handguns, and recommend much tighter controls over these weapons.

There are, however, a number of positives from the Inquiry which may mean at least the whereabouts of many firearms will soon be tracked. Amongst these is a recommended extension of the permit to procure a firearm to, in future, cover the sale or transfer of all firearms.
Maybe he can't read very well...


Over time this will allow Police to build a database of firearms possessed by individuals.

Is this supported by law Chris Cahill?

The Association also applauds the tough stance recommended with respect to gangs, and the call for the Government to categorise gang members and prospects as not “fit and proper persons” to possess firearms.



Make no mistake, this fight is not over. Particularly while Chris Cahill remains at the helm of the NZ Police Association, and continues to spread his campaign of misinformation and fear mongering.

You bet.

They do not want the public to have firearms. Lies, deception, scare mongering, ultra vires behaviour, double standards - whatever it takes - they will stop at nothing until the population possesses firearms that only they deem appropriate. Interesting that he refers to the "rights" of firearm owners in the UK and Australia.

Rights aren't rights if someone can just take them away.

Coincidentally I watched this earlier today, gun-control is what they talk about when they don't want to talk about the truth

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Coincidentally I watched this earlier today, gun-control is what they talk about when they don't want to talk about the truth

The truth link actually don't work when in the page…

Obviously not directly applicable to NZ but there a few "takeaways" from it.

Nice, a very well balanced informative video that didn't have to rely on "anecdotal" evidence and scaremongering to portray it's message. If only the opposition could achieve this.

"As the Minister of Police, you're responsible for the Arms Act 1983 and we're responsible for administering and enforcing it," Bush said.

"The act is overdue for amendment.

"The courts have identified gaps and the need for clarification of drafting."

Bush said the previous government "signalled its intention to deal with these issues" through two pieces of legislation - the Arms Amendment Bill and an Arms (Firearms Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill.

"Criminal activity, combined with changing technology and marketing, have highlighted additional gaps in the legislation which, when exploited, have safety implications," Bush said.

"These gaps also present administrative challenges and we have to rely on the overall purpose of the act to inform our decisions in the absence of explicit legislation.

The previous Minister of Police agreed to introduce firearms prohibition orders (FPOs) for a small group of the most serous and violent offenders.

Should you wish to continue with FPOs, this could be progressed through a standalone amendment to the Arms Act 1983 or as part of a more comprehensive Arms Amendment Bill."

Briefings: Police urge new minister to make 'key' decisions on firearms - NZ Herald

Your 'open and fair' police. No secrets here....

Here we go again. It just doesn't stop.