Thread: Call to Arms

Originally Posted by Savage1

Actually warrantless searches have always been around and are conducted on criminals daily, and if you had any understanding about law enforcement you would know why they're very necessary and what their limitations are.

And where was "searches" mentioned? I recall seeing "inspections", which are two completely different things. You don't like the other side exaggerating so why do it yourself?

inspection = limited search

you already have us on facial recognition

New biometric photo technology will help police nab crims captured on CCTV | Stuff.co.nz

Exaggerations or lies?

The problem is @Savage1 whats next? once these changes don't work what will be the next phase of law changes. Maybe the police should be campaigning to deal with the apparent changes to our culture that have criminals arming themselves and acting violently toward the Police (if this is indeed getting worse)? Or is that just too hard? Easier just to have a go at firearm owners?

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

inspection = limited search

you already have us on facial recognition

New biometric photo technology will help police nab crims captured on CCTV | Stuff.co.nz

Exaggerations or lies?

The problem is @Savage1 whats next? once these changes don't work what will be the next phase of law changes. Maybe the police should be campaigning to deal with the apparent changes to our culture that have criminals arming themselves and acting violently toward the Police (if this is indeed getting worse)? Or is that just too hard? Easier just to have a go at firearm owners?

Personally I think its just actually easier to appear to do something rather than actually do something.

Originally Posted by mikee

Personally I think its just actually easier to appear to do something rather than actually do something.

And cheaper, too. It's all part of the political smoke and mirrors. The Illusion of reality, or vice versa. It's what Cahill and co are doing.

This is why I will never support registration.

I really like how, when presented with the opportunity to ask for the courts to actually enforce the law as it already stands, and apply deterrent penalties, they instead go wobbly over a whole pile of other options that have been proven to not work very well or at all.

"Anyone can import an MSSA" - this report makes for increased border inspections?

" I actually think this is ok, they're already recording B C E cat weapons and it appears to be effective, sure there are negatives but there are certainly positives as well, the main one being the deterrence of on-selling to non FAL holder" - During my last interaction with the police AO, the records were 40% accurate on what I actually had. They aren't up to it. The AO was telling me an M1 carbine was a bolt action, while she held it in her hands. Had no idea what MSSA features actually were. Didn't care either.

"12)Judges can't just dish out maximum sentences cumulatively whenever they like, they're bound by legislation and are also open to appeal. To increase the penalties would give the judges more freedom to give bigger sentences. it's much easier to give 2yrs imprisonment on a 10yr max penalty that a 2yr max penalty." - Why wasn't this this crux of the report? Penalise the lawbreakers!

13) That's already illegal last time I checked

14) There's already a shit fight going re certing perfectly good safes, while giving licences to HeadHunters. While I would personally agree that some of the police's own guidelines are pretty lax, the police at the moment are being pretty difficult for the sake of it, so not trusting bullshit castle is perfectly reasonable imho. They quit lying through their teeth on national TV, and Joe license holder might actually trust them. They aren't, so we don't.

16) Let's talk about that kilo of meth that went missing. When was that discovered? Where did it go? Maybe it should have been on a list? Who's accountable for that? Where are we with that investigation? How's Mike Sabin? (We trust you all, cos you're all good guys right? I'm pretty sure you are, but there are some pretty fucking bad eggs in the NZ police). My gear is locked up tight, cos I'm a fit and proper person. Why push for me to be checked without a warrant, at random, when you could push for checks of, I dunno, criminals?

17) Contradicts 10)


Look I respect that you actually answered, but they just plain missed the point of this inquiry (purposely or otherwise). It's that simple. Opportunity lost. They didn't even bother to familiarise themselves with the current laws beforehand either, it was a lazy hackjob with an agenda. THAT is why people are angry with this.

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Originally Posted by Krameranzac

NZ First update. You do not need to be a Facebook user to view.

https://www.facebook.com/RonMarkMP/v...5599608986165/

Thanks for that Karmeranzac just as I thought! Guys have a look at this ^^^^^^
They say it's a first draft but we need to be all over this like flys on poo. The Tory government did it to gun owners in a the U.K. Just like National will try to do it in NZ. We already know the usual suspects, but there seems to be a few wolfs in sheeps clothing out there!
I think you also need to add a where do you personally stand on shooting and hunting to any letter to an MP make the question one that has to be answered with a yes or no so you know where to caste your vote!
Man can't trust any of theses buggers.
As Snowy said there all the bunch of the Thieves! (He was talk about Egyptians just before going in at ANZAC cove but it seems apt)
Get your letters out now guys!!!!
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Have a safe Easter ah!

If police are being confronted by criminals with guns, why don't we just allow police to carry all the time? It seems like a case of tail wagging dog to me.

Originally Posted by tararua

If police are being confronted by criminals with guns, why don't we just allow police to carry all the time? It seems like a case of tail wagging dog to me.

That would get my full support. I have no concern with full time armed police.

This IS the big problem here when you give over law making to Police you WILL end with a police state.

Just in case you had any doubt about the intentions of the Police Association under Chris Cahill:

" We need to examine why semi-automatics are needed in a hunting environment " " bear in mind it's very easy to turn these weapons into full automatics and get them into the hands of criminals "

" I've sat around a fire talking to hunters and duck shooters and they don't use semi-automatic weapons because they don't need to. "

Morning Rural News for 20 April 2017 | Rural News | Radio New Zealand

Weird - the only firearms I use when I do get to go hunting are semi-automatic. I must be unique.

Sat around the fire talking out his arse I'd say

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Just in case you had any doubt about the intentions of the Police Association under Chris Cahill:

" We need to examine why semi-automatics are needed in a hunting environment " " bear in mind it's very easy to turn these weapons into full automatics and get them into the hands of criminals "

" I've sat around a fire talking to hunters and duck shooters and they don't use semi-automatic weapons because they don't need to. "

Morning Rural News for 20 April 2017 | Rural News | Radio New Zealand

well 10,000 bunnies so far. i would say well over 90% shot with a 10/22 or a semi 12gu.
deer and pigs shot with an sks or an l1a1 too.
and to top it off for those of us with buggered shoulders a semi take lots of kick away

Originally Posted by Koshogi

Just in case you had any doubt about the intentions of the Police Association under Chris Cahill:

" We need to examine why semi-automatics are needed in a hunting environment " " bear in mind it's very easy to turn these weapons into full automatics and get them into the hands of criminals "

" I've sat around a fire talking to hunters and duck shooters and they don't use semi-automatic weapons because they don't need to. "

Morning Rural News for 20 April 2017 | Rural News | Radio New Zealand

Easily turning semi's into full auto?
That can't be true is it?
How many criminal acts have happen in this country with full automatic rifles?

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