Thread: Call to Arms

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

It is just that most if not all that participate on here even if they dont personally like or own one support your right to have one and use it. I for one am the second.

And it's guys like you who we really appreciate. A lot

If the shoe was on the other foot and they were legislating bolt actions for "resembling" military sniper rifles because they can take out targets from a long way, we would be defending such preposterous claims. However, the police almost seem to be hinting at this for restrictions on importing .338 .50 cal, chassis systems etc.... (Watch this space)

And, I'd even jump in to the political fight in the future when laser beam guns like from star wars are under scrutiny. Even though I wouldn't personally procure them... Well, maybe!

Maybe we need to educate the public on what center fire ammo costs. Even a cheapy 7.62 x 39 would make a serious dent in the wallet on full auto.

I hope so Tankd. However the State Sector Act 1988 does not list Police as being a public service.

State Sector Act 1988 No 20 (as at 17 December 2016), Public Act Schedule*1 Departments of the Public Service – New Zealand Legislation

PSA certainly covers Defence Force, MOJ and Corrections, not sure if it covers members of the Police who choose to be PSA rather than in the PA?

The part that gets me from what Mr. Cahill has said was this: “He claims firearms which resemble military weapons and other semi-automatics pose a danger to the public."
I hate to be the bearer of bad news.........but all firearms can pose a danger to the public? Actually I might be wrong......the firearm doesn't pose any danger to the public......I would be more concerned about the fuck knuckle holding the gun. It might be easier to restrict the amount of fuck knuckles?

I haven't been keeping up with his thread, but seeing what Cahill has been saying I'm going to take some time to write him a pretty firm letter.

Originally Posted by Savage1

I haven't been keeping up with his thread, but seeing what Cahill has been saying I'm going to take some time to write him a pretty firm letter.

It's good to have someone on the other side of the fence. Even if if it does put you in no mans land. No doubt you see and hear more than general public, and must be tough having to sit on your hands.
I know the feeling of wanting to say something, but can't because of the shit storm it would create. Good luck with your firm words, just watch the fence your straddling doesn't flick up and give you a boot in the nuts

Originally Posted by Savage1

I haven't been keeping up with his thread, but seeing what Cahill has been saying I'm going to take some time to write him a pretty firm letter.

@Savage1

What did you say? Did you receive a response?

It doesn't stop:

Originally Posted by FOUNZ

Ron Mark – NZ First MP and Richard Prosser MP – New Zealand First List MP have posted about their disappointment of the Arms Officer not showing up at last weekends gun show.

An arms officer is required for the sale of endorsed firearms that occurs at these shows.

Its also a great opportunity for the Arms Officer to meet with the very people he represents.

What we are witnessing is the complete break down and dysfunction of Paula Bennett‘s arms office.

https://www.facebook.com/RonMarkMP/post ... 9832912809

Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 9:06 p.m.
To: 'chris.cahill@policeassn.org.nz' <chris.cahill@policeassn.org.nz>
Subject: semi-automatic firearms comments

Mr Cahill,
You have certainly caused quite a stir amongst the 250,000 licensed firearms owners in the country and I am concerned with what can only be described as an agenda. You have risen through the ranks of police to Detective Inspector, you are not a stupid person. Firstly, you mislead NZ about the purchasing of ammunition in NZ. You stated that a firearms license is not required to purchase ammunition in this country. https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-police-union/

More recently you again misled the country in regards to semi-automatic firearms in the country. Mr Cahill, semi-automatic firearms are NOT easily converted to fully automatic. If they were, then they would be all over the place in criminal hands. But you already knew that didn’t you? Apart from that, when a sample of a new semi auto firearm is assessed by PNHQ for approval, they check to make sure that it can't be readily converted to full auto. If it can, it won't be approved by the armorer.

If you actually believe that semis really are "easy to turn into full automatics" then you must also believe that PNHQ, specifically the armorer, are incompetent and are failing to do their own jobs. You either deliberately mislead NZ, or believe that police staff are incompetent. But given your history of passing off anecdotes as hard fact (sitting with hunters by the campfire, really? Get a grip), and just plucking numbers to suit your agenda lying is the most likely scenario.

I note that on the NZ police association web site mission/vison/values page https://www.policeassn.org.nz/about-...tives-/-vision it states: In the pursuit of our mission the Association will:
• Act with honesty and integrity
Your actions are not consistent with honest and integrity Mr Cahill. I am amazed that the police association is willing to accept the level of honesty and integrity from its president that you have demonstrated. To the point that if one of my soldiers had carried out similar behaviour, I would have charged them with bringing the service into disrepute.

As such, complaints have been laid to the NZ broadcasting standards authority, Radio New Zealand, the IPCA, the NZ Police association, and several MP’s. By many of us, the law abiding firearms license holders. The responsible people of society, deemed fit and proper to own firearms. You are persecuting the wrong people Mr Cahill, you should be focussing on actions that have an impact on the criminal elements of New Zealand, Not the law Abiding.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 9:06 p.m.
To: 'chris.cahill@policeassn.org.nz' <chris.cahill@policeassn.org.nz>
Subject: semi-automatic firearms comments

Mr Cahill,
You have certainly caused quite a stir amongst the 250,000 licensed firearms owners in the country and I am concerned with what can only be described as an agenda. You have risen through the ranks of police to Detective Inspector, you are not a stupid person. Firstly, you mislead NZ about the purchasing of ammunition in NZ. You stated that a firearms license is not required to purchase ammunition in this country. https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-police-union/

More recently you again misled the country in regards to semi-automatic firearms in the country. Mr Cahill, semi-automatic firearms are NOT easily converted to fully automatic. If they were, then they would be all over the place in criminal hands. But you already knew that didn’t you? Apart from that, when a sample of a new semi auto firearm is assessed by PNHQ for approval, they check to make sure that it can't be readily converted to full auto. If it can, it won't be approved by the armorer.

If you actually believe that semis really are "easy to turn into full automatics" then you must also believe that PNHQ, specifically the armorer, are incompetent and are failing to do their own jobs. You either deliberately mislead NZ, or believe that police staff are incompetent. But given your history of passing off anecdotes as hard fact (sitting with hunters by the campfire, really? Get a grip), and just plucking numbers to suit your agenda lying is the most likely scenario.

I note that on the NZ police association web site mission/vison/values page https://www.policeassn.org.nz/about-...tives-/-vision it states: In the pursuit of our mission the Association will:
•Act with honesty and integrity
Your actions are not consistent with honest and integrity Mr Cahill. I am amazed that the police association is willing to accept the level of honesty and integrity from its president that you have demonstrated. To the point that if one of my soldiers had carried out similar behaviour, I would have charged them with bringing the service into disrepute.

As such, complaints have been laid to the NZ broadcasting standards authority, Radio New Zealand, the IPCA, the NZ Police association, and several MP’s. By many of us, the law abiding firearms license holders. The responsible people of society, deemed fit and proper to own firearms. You are persecuting the wrong people Mr Cahill, you should be focussing on actions that have an impact on the criminal elements of New Zealand, Not the law Abiding.

I wish I was that eloquent, really well written but a smackdown at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Sent: Friday, 21 April 2017 9:06 p.m.
To: 'chris.cahill@policeassn.org.nz' <chris.cahill@policeassn.org.nz>
Subject: semi-automatic firearms commentso

Mr Cahill,
You have certainly caused quite a stir amongst the 250,000 licensed firearms owners in the country and I am concerned with what can only be described as an agenda. You have risen through the ranks of police to Detective Inspector, you are not a stupid person. Firstly, you mislead NZ about the purchasing of ammunition in NZ. You stated that a firearms license is not required to purchase ammunition in this country. https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-police-union/

More recently you again misled the country in regards to semi-automatic firearms in the country. Mr Cahill, semi-automatic firearms are NOT easily converted to fully automatic. If they were, then they would be all over the place in criminal hands. But you already knew that didn’t you? Apart from that, when a sample of a new semi auto firearm is assessed by PNHQ for approval, they check to make sure that it can't be readily converted to full auto. If it can, it won't be approved by the armorer.

If you actually believe that semis really are "easy to turn into full automatics" then you must also believe that PNHQ, specifically the armorer, are incompetent and are failing to do their own jobs. You either deliberately mislead NZ, or believe that police staff are incompetent. But given your history of passing off anecdotes as hard fact (sitting with hunters by the campfire, really? Get a grip), and just plucking numbers to suit your agenda lying is the most likely scenario.

I note that on the NZ police association web site mission/vison/values page https://www.policeassn.org.nz/about-...tives-/-vision it states: In the pursuit of our mission the Association will:
• Act with honesty and integrity
Your actions are not consistent with honest and integrity Mr Cahill. I am amazed that the police association is willing to accept the level of honesty and integrity from its president that you have demonstrated. To the point that if one of my soldiers had carried out similar behaviour, I would have charged them with bringing the service into disrepute.

As such, complaints have been laid to the NZ broadcasting standards authority, Radio New Zealand, the IPCA, the NZ Police association, and several MP’s. By many of us, the law abiding firearms license holders. The responsible people of society, deemed fit and proper to own firearms. You are persecuting the wrong people Mr Cahill, you should be focussing on actions that have an impact on the criminal elements of New Zealand, Not the law Abiding.

Has someone forward it to any "Media outlet" suggesting they do their job and find out what is really going on?

Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA

Has someone forward it to any "Media outlet" suggesting they do their job and find out what is really going on?

I tried with my local rag but did not even get a reply to my email.

Any half decent journalist who had done even one night of research would tear him apart.

Chris Cahill is single handedly destroying what is left of the relationship that exists with firearm user groups and police. While it is clear that the police, and the police association, are seperate entities, the police association claims to represent over 8000 police officers (ergo do they claim to represent all police?), and it's head has been pushing an agenda with flat out lies. It is ok to have a different opinion, but when you are actively pushing said opinion, in public, with lies and sensationalism, you are bringing who you represent into disrepute.

Just to attempt to dispel the myth that America is a "free for all" as far as firearms are concerned - a myth that has been debunked as much as it's been perpetuated. They have some pretty restrictive and ridiculous laws:

Shit they have some cool toys.