Thread: Farmlands

Originally Posted by zimmer

Had great hopes for Farmlands when I became a shareholder 10 or more years ago. Overall, they have lost the plot though, probably around the time of amalgamation.

A farm supply outfit not selling ammo, sheez.

FarmSource is my go to supplier nowadays, despite me not being a Fonterra fan.

+1

Have supported Farmlands for my farming requirements plus they would receive firearms on my behalf and their ammo prices were good, especially shotgun. Don't blame the local branch staff for the decision but it will be them that doesn't receive my trade.

Its a bit shortsighted and unfair for everyone to shit on farmlands and not support them now they are not selling ammo. The regulatory shit they have thrust on them is large. Would people still buy the ammo if the price increased say 40% to cover the implementation of all the storage and admin they will now have to deal with?

Its a simple business decision they made, however its more of the death by 1000 cuts we are getting.

Lastly, Do you know that from the 24th of December the possesion of any gun part at all by an unlicenced person could cost them 5 years in prision or a 10K fine. Thats anything at all.

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

Its a bit shortsighted and unfair for everyone to shit on farmlands and not support them now they are not selling ammo..............

I always understood that if a seller did not provide a service their customer's wanted, then the customer was justified in walking away.

Am I wrong?

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

............Lastly, Do you know that from the 24th of December the possesion of any gun part at all by an unlicenced person could cost them 5 years in prision or a 10K fine. Thats anything at all.

Have you forgotten the idiocies of NZ Customs when climbing aboard Constable Plod's wagon which was being pulled by the Show Pony and deeming that "parts" included slings, scopes, and other non essential parts?

So could you please be a little more precise and define "parts" before spreading what appears to be "false news?" Further, by "define", I mean a link to the Statute / regulation / order in council/ /whatever that defines "Parts", NOT a throw away line like " the local arms officer said" because that is meaningless.

Thank You.

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

Its a bit shortsighted and unfair for everyone to shit on farmlands and not support them now they are not selling ammo. The regulatory shit they have thrust on them is large. Would people still buy the ammo if the price increased say 40% to cover the implementation of all the storage and admin they will now have to deal with?

Its a simple business decision they made, however its more of the death by 1000 cuts we are getting.

Lastly, Do you know that from the 24th of December the possesion of any gun part at all by an unlicenced person could cost them 5 years in prision or a 10K fine. Thats anything at all.

This world isn't fair, thought their stores would have their ammo storage up to scratch. When storage of chemicals etc had to be upgraded, they didn't stop selling them. Maybe the profit margin on ammo is not as good as other farming requirements?

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

Lastly, Do you know that from the 24th of December the possesion of any gun part at all by an unlicenced person could cost them 5 years in prision or a 10K fine. Thats anything at all.

Holy shit that is a silly law.

Springs go in guns, so it is a part, so if someone owns a spring shop and it just so happens that some of those springs are the same dimensions, say as one for an AR buffer or a long recoil semi shotgun, they own gun parts.

If someone carves a 1:1 functional stock out of a block of wood, they have made a gun part?

Book burning bonfire when?

I always thought the license thing was mandatory? you had to have a license to buy it for years now. GC have been running the book thing for ammo for a while.
It would be nice if farmlands did the right thing, but i do get it. If they only have a couple of people with licenses, and they are off, does that mean they cant sell it and put up a sign for no sales today?
This sort of thing will stuff up my gun club, and probably all the other gun clubs around. in our case not so much as it isnt stored on site, but it is more paperwork to fill out.
only a small club though. A big NZCTA club would have a PITA with this.

Originally Posted by tetawa

This world isn't fair, thought their stores would have their ammo storage up to scratch. When storage of chemicals etc had to be upgraded, they didn't stop selling them. Maybe the profit margin on ammo is not as good as other farming requirements?

I expect that because the staff need to have a FAL, to get that FAL they require secure storage at home (like the rest of us). So who pays for that? If I was the staff member I would be asking the company to pay.

Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper

So could you please be a little more precise and define "parts" before spreading what appears to be "false news?" Further, by "define", I mean a link to the Statute / regulation / order in council/ /whatever that defines "Parts", NOT a throw away line like " the local arms officer said" because that is meaningless.

Thank You.

This sufficient for you?

Originally Posted by Cigar

I expect that because the staff need to have a FAL, to get that FAL they require secure storage at home (like the rest of us). So who pays for that? If I was the staff member I would be asking the company to pay.

Just a thought. If you had a FAL, but no gun, would you still be required to have secure storage?

Originally Posted by caberslash

Holy shit that is a silly law.

Springs go in guns, so it is a part, so if someone owns a spring shop and it just so happens that some of those springs are the same dimensions, say as one for an AR buffer or a long recoil semi shotgun, they own gun parts.

If someone carves a 1:1 functional stock out of a block of wood, they have made a gun part?

Book burning bonfire when?

You are correct is is an utterly stupid law to bring in, but then again its what you get when you implement complex law in a week. The onus of proof will probably fall to the spring shop owner to prove its not a gun part, but its an easy one to disprove.

Originally Posted by outlander

Just a thought. If you had a FAL, but no gun, would you still be required to have secure storage?

currently yes, because you could buy a gun at any time.

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

This sufficient for you?

No.

I don't know how I can be any clearer in asking you to define a "part" of a fire arm, but I'll make one last attempt.

1...You have drawn our attention to an extract from a copy of something. Whatever is the extracted copy from?

2...That copy uses the words "non prohibited part." Give us credit for understanding that if a part was a "prohibited" part, then because they have been defined, there is an issue.

But what parts of a firearm are "non prohibited".

I have already pointed out the earlier stupid use of classifying scopes and slings as part of a firearm and if the definition of a "non prohibited part" is to be considered as "it is not named as a prohibited part" , we are right back to where we were with the earlier lunacy.

To make something illegal, the obvious first step is to identify it. Nowhere do I see any such identification, but, as you saw cause to create a post on this matter, could you please either

3 list ;the "non prohibited parts" of a fire arm;
or
4...provide a link to a list of "non prohibited parts".

This would assist our members and we would be most grateful and I for one, would not accept Constable Plod making a decision on what is a "non prohibited part " whenever the mood or situation may happen to suit him.

Thank You.

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

currently yes, because you could buy a gun at any time.

True, but wouldn't that be the time to acquire secure storage? Hypothetically, you could have the firearm within your control 24/7 and not need secure storage at all. The question becomes relevant once again, when the inspector person interviews and checks on storage for said non existent firearm. Perhaps then, one is required by law to own a firearm once the license is issued, which in turn, makes the secure storage necessary, but not if it's under your immediate care.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

So if you belong to a club that buys in bulk to pass the savings on to its members your committee just got a shit more work to do

A club is not a business. So I wonder if they have to comply. Depends on the legal wording and if they are selling at cost or for profit to go back to the club.

Also not many clubs be willing to be test subject in court I bet.