Thread: Farmlands

Apart from anything else there is another element to consider. I have always brought falcon and or fiocchi ammunition for duck shooting and vI club and Olympic for clay target.
All are made in nz by target products, and their main national distributor were farmlands. Now they will be left with small independent sports goods retailers increasing the amount of work to make multiple small sales, so it is possible that those brands will dissapear.
I rang 3 h n f stores about fiocchi no they don't stock it but have other brands they want to sell. Pretty sure the same will apply to gun city,
Hnf and gun city are what farmlands calls brand partners and are promising that good deals for card holders after ammunition and hunting supplies will be announced shortly

Originally Posted by Nugget connaisseur

A club is not a business. So I wonder if they have to comply. Depends on the legal wording and if they are selling at cost or for profit to go back to the club.

Also not many clubs be willing to be test subject in court I bet.

NZCTA has just put out a newsletter regarding range officers and range certification
which appears to show that they are well advanced on both fronts. Including the suggestion that their range safety template be applied nationally.
I expect there will be an update re clubs but many already record fal with purchase so it might not mean much extra effort. How they go about purchasing in bulk will need some thinking possibly someone will have to nominated and their license used.
Then when plod sees Marty Henry brought 20,000 rounds last year they might come visiting sirens flashing.

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

Its a bit shortsighted and unfair for everyone to shit on farmlands and not support them now they are not selling ammo. The regulatory shit they have thrust on them is large. Would people still buy the ammo if the price increased say 40% to cover the implementation of all the storage and admin they will now have to deal with?

Its a simple business decision they made, however its more of the death by 1000 cuts we are getting.

Lastly, Do you know that from the 24th of December the possesion of any gun part at all by an unlicenced person could cost them 5 years in prision or a 10K fine. Thats anything at all.

Can you post a link or source regarding the 24th? I'd like to read it.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

Apart from anything else there is another element to consider. I have always brought falcon and or fiocchi ammunition for duck shooting and vI club and Olympic for clay target.
All are made in nz by target products, and their main national distributor were farmlands. Now they will be left with small independent sports goods retailers increasing the amount of work to make multiple small sales, so it is possible that those brands will dissapear.
I rang 3 h n f stores about fiocchi no they don't stock it but have other brands they want to sell. Pretty sure the same will apply to gun city,
Hnf and gun city are what farmlands calls brand partners and are promising that good deals for card holders after ammunition and hunting supplies will be announced shortly

Gun City are no longer brand partners. They dropped out earlier this year.

Can hardly blame them. If you aren't a gun shop that's an awful lot of extra fucking around and liability.

Originally Posted by Kiwi Sapper

No.

I don't know how I can be any clearer in asking you to define a "part" of a fire arm, but I'll make one last attempt.

1...You have drawn our attention to an extract from a copy of something. Whatever is the extracted copy from?

2...That copy uses the words "non prohibited part." Give us credit for understanding that if a part was a "prohibited" part, then because they have been defined, there is an issue.

But what parts of a firearm are "non prohibited".

I have already pointed out the earlier stupid use of classifying scopes and slings as part of a firearm and if the definition of a "non prohibited part" is to be considered as "it is not named as a prohibited part" , we are right back to where we were with the earlier lunacy.

To make something illegal, the obvious first step is to identify it. Nowhere do I see any such identification, but, as you saw cause to create a post on this matter, could you please either

3 list ;the "non prohibited parts" of a fire arm;
or
4...provide a link to a list of "non prohibited parts".

This would assist our members and we would be most grateful and I for one, would not accept Constable Plod making a decision on what is a "non prohibited part " whenever the mood or situation may happen to suit him.

Thank You.

Where have you been living for the past 6 months, as you seem unaware of the new laws that have been written and will be implemented into legislation 6 months from date of signing. The best bit is police also cant quantify what a prohibited or non prohibited part is. So we just have to wait till some poor sap get pinged for possesing something untill it is clarified. My guess is a non prohibited part is a non MSSA part. As for links, well you can look at the legislation on the govt website, I dont need to bother posting links. Perhaps on the 24th police will define exactly what parts are referred to. Did you know that after the 24th, possesion of ammo by a non licence holder is also good for jail time, and to put the icing on the cake, possesion is deemed to be in the same location as the ammo (for a non LFO person) eg house sitting for an LFO and there is some ammo stached in a drawer.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Can you post a link or source regarding the 24th? I'd like to read it.

Read the legislation on the govt website. I think its also on the police website.

Dropped into Farmlands Hastings and Napier looking for ammo today, no 22lr supersonic at all, but I grabbed a slab (250rds) of 12g winchester super X 4 shot for $150.

More like a wet bus ticket

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

Where have you been living for the past 6 months, as you seem unaware of the new laws that have been written and will be implemented into legislation 6 months from date of signing. The best bit is police also cant quantify what a prohibited or non prohibited part is. So we just have to wait till some poor sap get pinged for possesing something untill it is clarified. My guess is a non prohibited part is a non MSSA part. As for links, well you can look at the legislation on the govt website, I dont need to bother posting links. Perhaps on the 24th police will define exactly what parts are referred to. Did you know that after the 24th, possesion of ammo by a non licence holder is also good for jail time, and to put the icing on the cake, possesion is deemed to be in the same location as the ammo (for a non LFO person) eg house sitting for an LFO and there is some ammo stached in a drawer.

Great except MSSA's such as they were no longer exist in law. Really what it is is the Po Po mking shit up ("policy") om the hoof, as they go and then it effectively being rubber stamped by the pony's mob and we who are actually effected left to try and figure out wht we have to do to keep ourselves on the right side of the rules. Its all getting a bit hard and eventually most will give it away for that reason.........................which I believe is the ultimate end game anyway.

I mean if you look in my truck I am sure if you looked hard enough you could find a live round or 2 rolling around in the dash or under the seats and that would mean my wife could effectively be in possetion of ammo as a non licence holder WTF

Originally Posted by Percy Jones

Where have you been living for the past 6 months, ..........

Had you been contributing to this site "for the past 6 months," then you would know.

Originally Posted by mikee

I mean if you look in my truck I am sure if you looked hard enough you could find a live round or 2 rolling around in the dash or under the seats and that would mean my wife could effectively be in possetion of ammo as a non licence holder WTF

Yes you are correct, and that is the danger we face after the 24th.

Got Winchester .22 subs for $8 a packet from them this morning.

Originally Posted by tetawa

This world isn't fair, thought their stores would have their ammo storage up to scratch. When storage of chemicals etc had to be upgraded, they didn't stop selling them. Maybe the profit margin on ammo is not as good as other farming requirements?

Its not just their store having to be up to scratch. each store needed to have three firearms licence holders, and each had to have a compliant safe in their home, even if they owned no firearms. So its as you would expect from the powers that not be, death by a thousand cuts is their modus operandi.

Are Horsewhips legal?