Thread: Gun Cleaning

Haha Gibo, bit more involved than that.

http://www.6mmbr.com/bulletcoating.html

Originally Posted by ebf

Haha Gibo, bit more involved than that.

http://www.6mmbr.com/bulletcoating.html

Good god you guys get carried away!!!

Originally Posted by Gibo

Good god you guys get carried away!!!

It is piece of mind and piece of piss to do.
If you seen the ES and accuracy I get from getting carried away, you would swim to Canada to buy some😷
I have a lifetime supply of it so I'm good.

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Originally Posted by R93

It is piece of mind and piece of piss to do.
If you seen the ES and accuracy I get from getting carried away, you would swim to Canada to buy some��
I have a lifetime supply of it so I'm good.

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That sounds like I have shares in a lifetime supply too then

Originally Posted by Gibo

That sounds like I have shares in a lifetime supply too then

Send me down some projectiles and I will do some up for you.
If they are. .277 they won't work.
HBN is homphobic

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Originally Posted by ebf

HBN (hexagonal boron nitride) is what the projectile coating fraternity is now using once they found out that molybdenum disulfide was not the miracle cure...

What was it curing? cancer? aids? a lousy shot?

Originally Posted by R93

Send me down some projectiles and I will do some up for you.
If they are. .277 they won't work.
HBN is homphobic

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Im ok mate. They go well enough

Originally Posted by steven

What was it curing? cancer? aids? a lousy shot?

Steven, every single "coater" I have spoken to, the first reason they give is "I don't have to clean my rifle", so I'd say it seems to cure an aversion to cleaning rifles...

I use Butch's bore cleaner, Butch's patches, a non-metal bore brush, and a carbon cleaning rod. I clean my bench gun after every 20 rounds, and my hunting rifles after hunting, even if I don't fire it. A clean weapon won't normally fail you.
Good shooting and hunting.

[QUOTE=ebf;301909]Yup, single layer over the hole and once around to hold the edges down.

Can't guarantee the results if you go ape and use a whole roll [/QUOTE Used a Jungle Carbine for years and a Condom and a rubber band was the best to keep snow and shit out of the barrel, works on any firearm if you can convince the missus

I must admit when I look at the hardness of a barrel's material, its finish and the heat and physical stresses its put under ( I mean typically it is worn out with about 10 actual seconds of use) and then I hear/read ppl "suggesting theories" on cleaning significantly damaging a barrel I just go "huh? really?"

So my conclusions are a) The big thing for me is I think there are a lot of expensive over-hyped cleaning substances (especially), methods and tools that in some cases may even do more damage than not cleaning a barrel (really we do not know), carbon fouling excepted. The big thing for me is scientifically few if any? of these products, tools or methods have been proven by repeatable and published experiment to do what they claim.

b) copper removal, I strongly suspect the barrel works best coated in a thin layer of copper, this is hinted at in some advanced tribology papers by academics I have read plus the odd comment here and there I have come across in technical papers. Hence blindly scrubing the barrel clean (especially of copper) seems to make no sense to me at present. I mean consider that some TR/palma and FTR shooters tell me that on a clean barrel the first shot is typically 1/4 to 1/2 MOA low so why? (and yet they blindly accept this effect). That tells me that something is happening with the first shot or two shots to reduce friction in the barrel as the subsequent velocities are higher because the MOA drop "recovers". The only two things that I can see are carbon fouling and copper "fouling". The barrels are very heavy so heat isnt likely.

On top of this I know some of the older shooters quietly clean their barrels with a carbon only cleaning regime, some use carbon only cleaners and lube with car engine upper cylinder oil, (wow designed to remove carbon in a high temperature environment no less) , or even Kerosene / diesel. The first is something like 1/2 or 1/3rd the cost of a gun oil and the last more like a 1/5th ~ 1/10th. So I just have to wonder just what is going on, snake oil salesmen ripping ppl off? or genuine products offering a significant advantage? if so show me the evidence.

So if people out there can point me at some URLs testing and verifying these expensive gun cleaning and lubing products really do work, please post. Otherwise I am off to repco to get some more upper cylinder engine oil....

Steven totally agree. Copper is good thats why rounds have copper coating.With cleaning all I have ever done is poured a quart of boiling water through the barrel followed by a fibre brush and 4x4 patch'es until clean than a light oil with sewing machine oil. Sewing machine oil does not stink or dry and lacquer like ordinary oils . Never had problems with rust or a dropped zero on first shot.

The first clean shot being low is generally accepted to be the result of lower friction of a clean lubed barrel lowering pressure and subsequently velocity.

Also there is "cleaned" and "clean"

Simply passing a wet patch with something like CLP threw till clean will only remove loose carbon and is what I do most of the time.
This shouldn't greatly affect first shot accuracy.

I protect my bore every time my rifle comes home fired or not.

Recently I cleaned it till it was actually clean over a few nights as my load had started to show slight pressure signs after around 300rounds of only light cleaning to protect the bore.
Once actually clean pressure signs disappeared again

By clean I mean to the extent that some ppl will keep cleaning until the copper is removed. Otherwise for an excessively cleaned, lubed barrel that sounds strange to me and just cause some ppl generally accept it doenst make it correct. I mean lots of ppl believe in God despite there being absolutely no evidence of his existence, that is faith and not science. Like I said I'd like to see some evidence via repeatable scientific experiment yet strangely I see none. So the relationship of clean to lower pressure by itself, well I see no logical link. There is however some academic discussion that at extreme velocities and low loads the copper turns liquid greatly reducing friction and hence the velocity is higher. For the first shot of a too clean barrel there is no copper film for this effect to occur, hence the fractional MOA drop.

In terms of "cleaned" sure. Carbon would seem to be a clear fouling issue after so many rounds, so cleaning off the carbon and hence the restoration of accuracy can be demonstrated I have no particular issue with that. "300 rounds" and then we see we have a not clean[ed] enough of carbon bore, maybe.

I guess Im not happy that I am basing actions on solid ground but guess work that may not be correct, bad idea IMHO.

so , when I clean my handguns .... I have to use all sorts of bore brushes etc... because I cast my own projectiles , I get lead fouling that none of u would believe , ..... I use everything I can find , I made some "eds red" and use that hoppes9 , and it takes a long time to get it free of lead , I have used frog lube on the inside of my barrels because I saw it on the interweb , ... seems to make the lead less inclined to really stick .... I shoot a minimum 200 lead cast bullets a session on Saturdays....so I need lots of different brews to get rid of lead .......
cheers