Thread: Help from the knowledge bank

So shooting a 308w at 500yds moa on the day (2 weekends ago) 2.5 for wind, for the 303brit, 5moa so the problem is what? Frankly if you are poor at wind reading then practice, join a TR/FTR club, shoot every weekend. Blasting a f-ing big magnum at 400yds when you have to pay for it, ammo and carry the damn thing as a cure for your poor wind reading ability is plain silly IMHO.

A 7mm Rem Mag with a good suppressor will do everything you need, and you will not have the aggravation or expense of trying to source ammo or brass for the WSM's, SAUM's or other orphans. Everyone makes 7mm Mag. The suppressor will tame the recoil as well as the noise, and give you an advantage for multiple shots.

Wind reading at a range with flags/grass etc is a lot different than shooting long range across a gully with no indicators, then every wind advantage is exactly that an advantage.

Originally Posted by steven

So shooting a 308w at 500yds moa on the day (2 weekends ago) 2.5 for wind, for the 303brit, 5moa so the problem is what? Frankly if you are poor at wind reading then practice, join a TR/FTR club, shoot every weekend. Blasting a f-ing big magnum at 400yds when you have to pay for it, ammo and carry the damn thing as a cure for your poor wind reading ability is plain silly IMHO.

If you are shooting a 308 across a gully or up a hill at 500 yards with little/no wind indicators at an animal, you are going to need a huge amount of luck if you think you are going to kill it even if you are shooting 208s.....

Originally Posted by ebf

Um, take it from someone who shoots a fair amount of long distances in wind using non-magnum calibers...

162 amax @ 2500 (sedate out of a 7mm08) 12mph full value wind = around 7.0moa
162 amax @ 3000 (7mm RM), same wind = 5.3moa

bottom line is if you do not adjust, both will be a complete miss. sure the magnum gives you some room for error, but it is significantly less than what most folks think...

Fully agree was more making the point that its not about the amount of bullet drop, Like most people assume but its about the wind bucking thats the huge advantage
hard to guess the full wind value with out flags, with Magnum you have more room for error.
Not meaning to make it sound like its a non issue just much easier when you have a 5mph window of error.

Hunt4life look at getting a 6.5 win mag built they are nice and tame to shoot almost like shooting a .270 but are still loud

So tell me if you flinch, what effect does it have on the accuracy of a normal game shot? I'd say under heavy recoil the would by few who don't flinch?

Originally Posted by Maca49

So tell me if you flinch, what effect does it have on the accuracy of a normal game shot? I'd say under heavy recoil the would by few who don't flinch?

I read an article that claimed it was a lot more common than anyone wanted to admit, which is why it suggested those methods I posted above to test if you have one or not. It stated that a lot of world class shooters flinch but because they flinch exactly the same way every time it doesn't really effect accuracy. Makes sense, but I guess not flinching at all would be even more consistent?

If you flinch during/after the recoil I guess everything's already happened that needs to. If you flinch before the shot may be a different story? Sure someone here knows more.

I have 2 7mm Rem Mag, both suppressed, i will shoot ALL DAY with both of them if need without hesitation. Unsuppressed is is a VERY LOUD boom and will kick, however i still can fire "few" shots without to many issue, it is all about how you keep up with it.

Good luck, I wish i could help you letting you have a go on my rifles to try it.

Mac

Originally Posted by Hunt4life

Came into a few dollars and want to buy a LR beast for Tahr and Reds/Sika on the tops out to 400+.
Mates have 7mmRM and .308. The 7RM boasts awesome ballistics, but the blast is horrendous. I developed a flinch years ago when shooting .308 (aka mule) in competition so will stay clear of .30cal now I've overcome that with 6.5.
So I've been looking at the WSM range and liking the .270wsm and 7mmwsm. They both scream out of muzzle at well over 3200fps and drop and wind resistance is as good as 7RM.
Questions:
1. Are the fat short magnums still a problem with feeding into breech?
2. Are they both just as loud as 7RM?
3. Is finding brass an expensive nightmare?
4. Do the WSMs boot like mules?
5. Is barrel life particularly short?

Lastly, does anyone have a Tikka T3 Hunter Stainless Fluted in 7mm WSM with good quality scope they want to sell me?



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