Thread: How to calculate shooting angle?

Originally Posted by TimC

Ok. Just had a play with the binos, changed setting to LOS and now it shows angle. Saves putting phone on suppressor I guess but still have to use app. Everydays a school day huh....

Then someone tells you it’s all a perishable skill set and regular days of shooting LR are required or the simple mistakes creep back in……..

Goodness, how did the deercullers of the 1950s and 1960s cope without all the high tech gadgetry...? They realised that the actual distance on a steep angle shot (up or down) was less than the line of sight distance, so always aimed low. It works. I've used that technique for 40 years.

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

Goodness, how did the deercullers of the 1950s and 1960s cope without all the high tech gadgetry...? They realised that the actual distance on a steep angle shot (up or down) was less than the line of sight distance, so always aimed low. It works. I've used that technique for 40 years.

I guess you still just write letters instead of emails because it just works too?

Its all changed ... I can remember using the old protractor and paper clip to work out the angle on clearings

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

Goodness, how did the deercullers of the 1950s and 1960s cope without all the high tech gadgetry...? They realised that the actual distance on a steep angle shot (up or down) was less than the line of sight distance, so always aimed low. It works. I've used that technique for 40 years.

Sounds very accurate and ethical. Thanks

yip the OLD rule was guestimate how far to point directly above/below animal you would be if they horizontal to you..I remember Willy Duley with protractor and paper clip in the earlier videos
also..if your using one of these flat shooting lazer bean 6.5PRC thingymabobbies why are you even needing to dial at 390-450 yards??? surely its only just gone past your pointblank range????

Originally Posted by stagstalker

I guess you still just write letters instead of emails because it just works too?

Emails? What are they? When did they come into use? Seriously, I'm of a generation that is bemused by a younger generation that relies on technology rather than skill developed from experience and trial, and/or improvisation. I took a young staff member out into the hills to effect repairs on a bridge. I told her to work out what tools we'd need, and instructed her to collect them. She picked up a cordless drill and a spare battery, along with other bits and pieces, and off we went. We got to the site where the bridge needed 14 holes drilled in it to attach a kick rail. She discovered the drill battery was flat (hadn't checked); then found the spare battery was flat (hadn't checked). She asked "What now? Do we walk back 2 hours to charge the batteries?" My answer was to pull out a brace and bit set and told her this was the original cordless drill, whose battery never ran flat, and was always dependable. She started on the 14 holes.

Also the difference between hunting and shooting id suspect

I had an issuea while back with my shots going high on animals. I always used los range and an angle given by the range finder in my calc but somehow it got changed to tbr so trying to calc the already accounted for angle and the angle shown which put the calcs all up to shit. Once i figured it out i switched it back to los and angle and been bang on since.

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

Emails? What are they? When did they come into use? Seriously, I'm of a generation that is bemused by a younger generation that relies on technology rather than skill developed from experience and trial, and/or improvisation. I took a young staff member out into the hills to effect repairs on a bridge. I told her to work out what tools we'd need, and instructed her to collect them. She picked up a cordless drill and a spare battery, along with other bits and pieces, and off we went. We got to the site where the bridge needed 14 holes drilled in it to attach a kick rail. She discovered the drill battery was flat (hadn't checked); then found the spare battery was flat (hadn't checked). She asked "What now? Do we walk back 2 hours to charge the batteries?" My answer was to pull out a brace and bit set and told her this was the original cordless drill, whose battery never ran flat, and was always dependable. She started on the 14 holes.

Yes just a unhelpful "back in my day". Sorry I'm going to bite again.. (keyboard warrior doh). Your stand point is moot, when you were the young generation the exact same would have been said by the older generation before you with your flash brace and bit set.. because "back in my day" we had to use or do XYZ instead.. its just a stupid argument. I bet the same "back in my day" came out of the cupboard when scopes first got put on rifles. You taught that young staff member something, success - learning - not their fault they don't know what an old outdated brace and bit set is.. its 2023.

I grew up using max point blank range and aim low with angle etc all taught by my father. As I have grown I have learnt new skills and developed methods to become more efficient and more accurate with the development of technology. It didn't just happen overnight, it has taken years to understand all the different things and learn the processes, inputs, calculations, why they matter, how to fault find etc and every day there is something new to learn. All done through learning in order to get experience in order to develop the skill... If it didn't take any skill or experience then the OP wouldn't be trying to learn right now? They are obviously just on that learning journey and looking for help to develop their skills and knowledge. How is that so wrong? I applaud them for bettering themselves and moving forward. After this they will have acquired some more experience.

These days I am aiming for a specific spot with my projectile at all ranges. Back using max point blank range and aim low it was a matter of just trying to connect with the big bit. My father taught me to hunt and shoot but these days I have plenty of things that I can teach him.

Originally Posted by Nathan F

Also the difference between hunting and shooting id suspect

Golf and basketball they`re all called sports game...as newbie I did spent lots time learning online, tried to find the best techniques but finally I realized it just ike to learn every new skill and the best way is to put it into action. To my mind, if I go out more then I can find or build up some best case scenarios so that I would `nt need to spend more time on calculation since many things could happen in seconds to affect the mathematical result.

Originally Posted by stagstalker

Yes just a unhelpful "back in my day". Sorry I'm going to bite again.. (keyboard warrior doh). Your stand point is moot, when you were the young generation the exact same would have been said by the older generation before you with your flash brace and bit set.. because "back in my day" we had to use or do XYZ instead.. its just a stupid argument. I bet the same "back in my day" came out of the cupboard when scopes first got put on rifles. You taught that young staff member something, success - learning - not their fault they don't know what an old outdated brace and bit set is.. its 2023.

I grew up using max point blank range and aim low with angle etc all taught by my father. As I have grown I have learnt new skills and developed methods to become more efficient and more accurate with the development of technology. It didn't just happen overnight, it has taken years to understand all the different things and learn the processes, inputs, calculations, why they matter, how to fault find etc and every day there is something new to learn. All done through learning in order to get experience in order to develop the skill... If it didn't take any skill or experience then the OP wouldn't be trying to learn right now? They are obviously just on that learning journey and looking for help to develop their skills and knowledge. How is that so wrong? I applaud them for bettering themselves and moving forward. After this they will have acquired some more experience.

These days I am aiming for a specific spot with my projectile at all ranges. Back using max point blank range and aim low it was a matter of just trying to connect with the big bit. My father taught me to hunt and shoot but these days I have plenty of things that I can teach him.

Whew, that was a lengthy telling off! You may have missed my point, which was that if you rely on technology, and not understand or be aware of alternatives, you may have problems when the technology fails (flat batteries, e.g.). I was sometimes called on to "rescue" young staff whose GPS had failed, and were stuck in thick bush with not a clue of how to extricate themselves. So I taught them basic map and compass skills, as a backup. They all thanked me. The female staff member in my example always carried a brace and bit along with the cordless drill after that incident. I feel there was a good result there.

Originally Posted by stagstalker

Yes just a unhelpful "back in my day". Sorry I'm going to bite again..

These days I am aiming for a specific spot with my projectile at all ranges. Back using max point blank range and aim low it was a matter of just trying to connect with the big bit. My father taught me to hunt and shoot but these days I have plenty of things that I can teach him.

now listen here young whipper snapper
some of us still use a point blank range and rather than just shooting for the big bit..the specific spot as it were is actually just a area about the size of a basketball..that 8" circle....
your mans brace n bit story has LOTS of relevance...... indeed a flat battery OR as in the OPs case a modern gear failure or posibly a eye dee ten tee operator error (write that numerically) being able to revert to a more simple way of doing stuff has much merit
again I ask..at that range with a super lazer beam prc 6.5 why was any calculation needed??? looking at simple drop chart would suggest a very small drop out of that 8" circle so only small elevation/kentucky windage required........ that need to take quickly shot would demand this...
this past weekend I was away with group using both map n compass and gps and cellphones..... great to be ABLE to use both...
Im well aware your a bloody good shot and will be able to teach your younguns how to do the same.... possibly also teaching a fall back method isnt a silly idea too.
and what the heck is this aiming low bit all about???? if my projectile never goes more than 3.5" above my Xhair..at what stage would I need to aim low????175ish on steep slope perhaps.... but my Xhairs would still be in the bit I want to hit,just posibly low inside it LOLstill on specific spot as it was.

and for what its worth I have brace n bit..plus 3 types of manual drill (think woodwork class looks like egg beater) and a plug in electric drill AND a cordless one too!!!!! Ive also used a petrol powered post hole borer for many hours but still know how to dig post holes with a shovel and spade..and it seems most south island cockies drive posts into ground using tractor mounted ramming system... but if ground is too steep for tractor they still need to use granddads shovel and ram method..... by being able to do job manually without the tech..job gets done.
geez Im pleased we dont all do things the same way or life would be boring.

Originally Posted by stagstalker

Yes just a unhelpful "back in my day". Sorry I'm going to bite again.. (keyboard warrior doh). Your stand point is moot, when you were the young generation the exact same would have been said by the older generation before you with your flash brace and bit set.. because "back in my day" we had to use or do XYZ instead.. its just a stupid argument. I bet the same "back in my day" came out of the cupboard when scopes first got put on rifles. You taught that young staff member something, success - learning - not their fault they don't know what an old outdated brace and bit set is.. its 2023.

I grew up using max point blank range and aim low with angle etc all taught by my father. As I have grown I have learnt new skills and developed methods to become more efficient and more accurate with the development of technology. It didn't just happen overnight, it has taken years to understand all the different things and learn the processes, inputs, calculations, why they matter, how to fault find etc and every day there is something new to learn. All done through learning in order to get experience in order to develop the skill... If it didn't take any skill or experience then the OP wouldn't be trying to learn right now? They are obviously just on that learning journey and looking for help to develop their skills and knowledge. How is that so wrong? I applaud them for bettering themselves and moving forward. After this they will have acquired some more experience.

I can't help to say something about your comments of "back in my day" I do `t think "back in my day" has a problem, lots of things we use today are invented long before we were born, freezers, differential gears, rifles, ballistics and MOA we are using today for hunting as well economic theories, farming skills that support people`s life here. Do `t know what you do for living, but I guess all the skills you learned from people that is older than you, and your boss should be older than you in your previous job or maybe now. So, please show some respect.

You said your father now learns from you for new techniques, I have no doubt of that. But have you ever thought he is happy is because he is happy to see you grow up, to see your advancements for everything from you, not those things he knew only in different forms of presentation. Hunting is not a competition that `s why I like it as well fishing. You can say all the F&off things you want, but please show some respect to "back in my day". Thank you.