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    Quote Originally Posted by veitnamcam View Post
    Battery tools are portable and effective but still nothing on corded tools we have had for years and years....not many houses /garages/sheds dont have a 220v plug so kinda misleading to say "so much easier" to break into a safe with battery tools.
    I have been giving all this a far bit of thought since a previous thread about gun safe keys was posted. Battery tools make it easier to break into sheds etc in the first place and once in, yes any mains powered tools can be used. what I am thinking is that thick wood stops grinders because they don't have enough cut depth and even a 9" grinder with a skill saw blade (if you could hold it) wouldn't cut through a 5" (125mm) Oregon slab. A petrol demolition cut off saw is too big. A chainsaw can be stopped too with nails driven from the inside and Ramset nails will stop a Tungsten tipped circular blade. So should we be making safes out of 125mm thick timber or making a timber outer safe for our steel safe ?. A timber safe also has the advantage that it doesn't cool to the dew point like a steel one and so doesn't condense moisture like a steel jobby. The only one I can't figure out how to stop is a big powerful reciprocating saw if the crims can drill a hole to start it. Any ideas ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moa Hunter View Post
    I have been giving all this a far bit of thought since a previous thread about gun safe keys was posted. Battery tools make it easier to break into sheds etc in the first place and once in, yes any mains powered tools can be used. what I am thinking is that thick wood stops grinders because they don't have enough cut depth and even a 9" grinder with a skill saw blade (if you could hold it) wouldn't cut through a 5" (125mm) Oregon slab. A petrol demolition cut off saw is too big. A chainsaw can be stopped too with nails driven from the inside and Ramset nails will stop a Tungsten tipped circular blade. So should we be making safes out of 125mm thick timber or making a timber outer safe for our steel safe ?. A timber safe also has the advantage that it doesn't cool to the dew point like a steel one and so doesn't condense moisture like a steel jobby. The only one I can't figure out how to stop is a big powerful reciprocating saw if the crims can drill a hole to start it. Any ideas ??
    Hardox or bizalloy......starts getting expensive then tho and still wont stop a plasma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moa Hunter View Post
    I have been giving all this a far bit of thought since a previous thread about gun safe keys was posted. Battery tools make it easier to break into sheds etc in the first place and once in, yes any mains powered tools can be used. what I am thinking is that thick wood stops grinders because they don't have enough cut depth and even a 9" grinder with a skill saw blade (if you could hold it) wouldn't cut through a 5" (125mm) Oregon slab. A petrol demolition cut off saw is too big. A chainsaw can be stopped too with nails driven from the inside and Ramset nails will stop a Tungsten tipped circular blade. So should we be making safes out of 125mm thick timber or making a timber outer safe for our steel safe ?. A timber safe also has the advantage that it doesn't cool to the dew point like a steel one and so doesn't condense moisture like a steel jobby. The only one I can't figure out how to stop is a big powerful reciprocating saw if the crims can drill a hole to start it. Any ideas ??
    500mm thick concrete with HD32's at 100 eachway?
    There's no way to get something completely theft proof, If they've targeted your place specifically for firearms they'll be prepared.
    A good alarm system with camera's is the best bet in my opinion
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    Instead of more secure boxes for guns (gotta be several million of them right?), just lock the recidivist arseholes in cages instead of giving them a fucking reacharound and puppy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy View Post
    Instead of more secure boxes for guns (gotta be several million of them right?), just lock the recidivist arseholes in cages instead of giving them a fucking reacharound and puppy
    Exactly. In the meantime regardless of how strong one's safe is, a good alarm system and CCTV would be far more advantageous then trying to spend 1000's on something that still could be defeated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagheera View Post
    Remember that half of firearms deaths in NZ are suicides so take that into account. Some part of the gun ammo bolt system needs to be inaccessible to others living in your house.
    wow that's a dark thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve123 View Post
    500mm thick concrete with HD32's at 100 eachway?
    There's no way to get something completely theft proof, If they've targeted your place specifically for firearms they'll be prepared.
    A good alarm system with camera's is the best bet in my opinion
    In suggesting thick timber I had the idea of keeping the cost sensible. What you have said ' targeted your place specifically for firearms they'll be prepared' makes me feel a bit sick inside because.... you are quite right Steve. I have been imagining an opportunistic bunch rocking up and finding a gun safe but that is not reality. Reality is that someone could sneak in and 'case out' what they need a week or two in advance. In fact a couple of years ago a mate died suddenly after surgery. His gun safe was emptied the day the death notice was published and only the two Blasers taken ( not the Marlin) before he was even in the ground. What's the rules here on putting novachok on some cheap guns in a second but obvious safe ?? We could just blame the Russians afterwards.
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    just go bush an find some 1080, carefully grind it up to a powder an booby trap your safe like I have.

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    Man traps are not legal!
    Copper, concrete, and steel in combination will stop most saws long enough for your alarm system to alert you that something is happening.
    Check out how old safes were made, nothing stops a lance though, (oxygen though steel pipes). The real question is what have the bad people used in the past to steel guns?
    I suspect I could open my safe with a big hamer and a crowbar.

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    Mn traps mite not be legal but 1080 is legally spread through the entire country. North to South East to West its every where, so why should it not be in our home to kill pests? A gun thief is a pest.
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    I've thought about bolting a sheet of bisalloy the side of my E cat safe to make it cuntier to cut into. But what would that even cost?

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    Can anyone cite why 'man-traps' are illegal? Wouldn't a dye bomb be regarded as a man-trap? Or is it specifically talking about inflicting bodily harm kind of thing? What about guard dogs?

    Personally I think if a criminal crosses that line and enters your dwelling then they should be prepared for the consequences.
    @Beavis a 300mmx300mm cut for gongs cost me $137 for two of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sasquatch View Post
    Can anyone cite why 'man-traps' are illegal? Wouldn't a dye bomb be regarded as a man-trap? Or is it specifically talking about inflicting bodily harm kind of thing? What about guard dogs?

    Personally I think if a criminal crosses that line and enters your dwelling then they should be prepared for the consequences.
    @Beavis a 300mmx300mm cut for gongs cost me $137 for two of them.
    in all fairness a hot blonde on a drunk night out could be considered a ManTrap for some Men so what is a man trap really? anything that will get a man busted for doing something wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paddy79 View Post
    just go bush an find some 1080, carefully grind it up to a powder an booby trap your safe like I have.
    Seri-fucking-ously?
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    Banks are spraying DNA so crim's can be linked to to bank later, I also think that security vans use some sort of dye bomb? How about a cover sheet of asbestos around your safe so I kills them slowly if they try to cut it open?

 

 

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