Thread: Long range shooting course

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

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Google says "Yes" Greg:

6.9.1 Wind Flag—Wind flags should be displayed at various distances between the firing line and the targets.
It is recommended that the flags be placed at 200, 500 and 700 yards. It is further recommended that the flag be
48” by 18” at tip and 12’ in length. This flag will be of two colors, red and yellow.

Originally Posted by James

Google says "Yes" Greg:

6.9.1 Wind Flag—Wind flags should be displayed at various distances between the firing line and the targets.
It is recommended that the flags be placed at 200, 500 and 700 yards. It is further recommended that the flag be
48” by 18” at tip and 12’ in length. This flag will be of two colors, red and yellow.

Thanks James,

So getting back to an earlier post, F class has flags so that is very handy, shooting at animals in the feild is generally flag-less so you need to try & read the vegetation, stuff in the air, animals fur/hair, etc it also has angles, so what you are trying to read can be a long way from the ground, quite a lot removed from F-class target shooting really...... not saving it wouldn't be helpful though

F-class seams like a great oppurtunity for people to learn and sort their workstreams in a controlled environment.

If you have trouble sorting the workload on a mowed firing line you sure as hell will struggle to do it properly in the field. I'd love to do F- class but I'd just shoot with my hunting rig.

I wouldn't care for placement but I would glean towards the best and see how far I still have to reach.

There's always someone better or someone who does certain parts better.

Competitions are a brilliant way to meet these.

I thought myself to be on top of my game a couple of times only to learn "not really".

Maybe I am now? I'm eagerly awaiting my next fall. These have in the past been very useful.

It works as well but you frequently hit performance ceilings and it will take time to identify and break through.

...recently bought a book about olympic level shooting. Bloody useful for my positionbuilding and the result reflects in ELR. (these guys shoot 6mm groups prone)

...so I wasn't on top three weeks ago but I have certainly improved since then.

Time spent vs shooting done is possibly my biggest gripe with competitions.

Originally Posted by Tussock

Im confident that F-Class would show up my flaws for F-Class.

In the mountains, I find I am rarely found under time constraints. More commonly, I am found asleep under a tree.

I shoot varmints. They are little. They run around, and they are a long way away when thats where I look. There are many of them in the hills who know my flaws.

Im of the opinion that honest self evaluation is key to improvement. As long as your fixated on where your at, and where you want to be, and put the time in you will get better.

I would enter competition for the fun of it, and to meet a few people. But in my experience, egos usually play a part. I couldnt be bothered.

I really cant understand this attitude Tussock .Ego , what wrong with EGO .Ego drives people to be better -I wonder if the alternative is tall poppy cutter syndrome -which is worse -Id rather have a big Ego , lots of confidence and get up and go

Originally Posted by el borracho

I really cant understand this attitude Tussock .Ego , what wrong with EGO .Ego drives people to be better -I wonder if the alternative is tall poppy cutter syndrome -which is worse -Id rather have a big Ego , lots of confidence and get up and go

Ego eh? Well if Gillie does not mind I would like mention his father. He has no ego that he displayed yet would be one of the best service rifle shots I have seen. He won 5 or 6 Queens Medals with 2 different service rifles over as many years.
I remember him as a quiet unassuming bloke that went about his business quietly. He may have loved competing, but did it humbly.

Originally Posted by el borracho

.Ego , what wrong with EGO .Ego drives people to be better -I wonder if the alternative is tall poppy cutter syndrome -which is worse -Id rather have a big Ego , lots of confidence and get up and go

el borracho, in part I agree with you: what you have called "tall poppy cutter syndrome" (usually just called "tall poppy syndrome" in NZ) can be a real problem.

-However, I don't believe that is necessarily the exclusive alternative to "ego". It may be an alternative to egotism, but often I believe with see the worst examples of "tall poppy syndrome" from those who are in fact 'egotistical' in nature. (usually occuring when their egos have been damaged by someone doing something better than them).

-Finally, I agree with you that "ego" may motivate some people to success. However, I believe that people can be motivated to success by its own merits, without the need for egotism. I would suggest that being motivated simply by ego may be dangerous, as a lack of 'success' would then by definition damage the ego, and potentially remove enjoyment from the activity.

-A final danger to egotism lies in the way in which it is perceived/received by society. (I'm not picking a fight here simply showing a different view): "EGO drives people to be better", but many would also argue that: 'Ego can drive people to be Dickheads, even in the face of reason'.

Its the beauty of life R96 -different colours

Let me ask you also R96 did you quest to be in a top area of the army not get driven by your ego of wanting also to be better than average -I bet it did -use your ego well and go far NA noo na noo

Originally Posted by Tussock

Im confident that F-Class would show up my flaws for F-Class.

In the mountains, I find I am rarely found under time constraints. More commonly, I am found asleep under a tree.

I shoot varmints. They are little. They run around, and they are a long way away when thats where I look. There are many of them in the hills who know my flaws.

Im of the opinion that honest self evaluation is key to improvement. As long as your fixated on where your at, and where you want to be, and put the time in you will get better.

I would enter competition for the fun of it, and to meet a few people. But in my experience, egos usually play a part. I couldnt be bothered.

I have seen very few people in shooting competitions with big egos. I am assuming it is because the people with big egos get beaten the first time and because of their egos they don't want to come back and sacrifice winning for learning. Shooting is a sport where ego/confidence makes absolutely no difference.

Originally Posted by Savage1

I have seen very few people in shooting competitions with big egos. I am assuming it is because the people with big egos get beaten the first time and because of their egos they don't want to come back and sacrifice winning for learning. Shooting is a sport where ego/confidence makes absolutely no difference.

Ego and confidence are different things. To be a top level shooter confidence is absolutely necessary. The mental game of shooting when you get to the top level is everything and if you are not confident that is reflected in your score. Ego and boasting about your prowess tends to help other people shooting but not necessarily your own. I have seen very few serious competitors with big egos. In my experience you are correct Savage1, the guys with big egos don't stay with the sport.

And Malcolm hasn't changed from your description R93. What i really like about him and a few others i have met along the way are that they queitly shoot well and are the first to help someone out or volunteer to help run a shoot as well as compete in it.

I have shot with Malcom and Simon Gillice once and found them extremely humble.They didnt say much but boy Malcom just let his 223 do the talking!
That was one of the shoots that Simon organised for Taihape deer stalkers.
Once we plyed them with some of the mighty Taihape truth serum did we draw some of their secrets out of them!
I must say it takes all sorts from large egos dickheads know alls smart bastards funny bastards lip draggers good c%unts you name it but at the end of the day i have enjoyed 99% of the people i have met competitively and learn a shit load as well.
I am lucky as i can go and shoot at work pinging magpies hares rabbits and the odd sqawking bird so it does not worry me just shooting 20 shots for the day at a small comp.
There are arguments for both sides but if you dont have a go you will never know.
I wanted to try marriage so did that the other day, I have never been divorced so at least i can try that now if the need arises!
See you at the next central north island gong shoot that me and plilipo are supposed to be organising!