Thread: Mini 14 s/s

Originally Posted by Natatale

Ok sound good now just point me to the nearest AR parts supplier in Tauranga

Haha no where that close I don't think. But thankfully we live in the digital age, you could buy your AR on the line? ;-)

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Haha no where that close I don't think. But thankfully we live in the digital age, you could buy your AR on the line? ;-)

Ah ha, I get that but, not everyone has and online store and not everything they sell is good gear. So who do I trust ??

https://nzar15.com/store/index.php

Originally Posted by Natatale

Ah ha, I get that but, not everyone has and online store and not everything they sell is good gear. So who do I trust ??

NZAR15.com

I trust Ken, he's a top bloke and will see you right

Is this ok for an AR15 Double Star AR15 5.56mm | Trade Me ??

Originally Posted by Natatale

Is this ok for an AR15 Double Star AR15 5.56mm | Trade Me ??

I don't know too much about the double stars, have heard they are pretty good. Perhaps someone here has one & could enlighten you.

Here is a very nice Spikes Tactical carbine, good quality ar's

https://nzar15.com/store/index.php?i...roller=product

Double star is ok. Same as Stag etc.

But how about mini-14. I do like that style and the sound and planning to have one use for some small games and close encounters in bushes next year.

Originally Posted by NEO

But how about mini-14. I do like that style and the sound and planning to have one use for some small games and close encounters in bushes next year.

Shoot both and make your mind up, i have had both and sold both my mini14s, AR is much more user friendly and bolt action accuracy.

ARs are cool, but is the AR15 really as accurate as a bolt action? What does we mean with this?

No doubt an AR15 may do 0.5MOA off sandbags / benchrest... but how does it compare with freehand shots off the shoulder with no elbow support?

AR15s, like AKs, are hammer + firing pin setups so have longer lock time (trigger squeeze to ignition interval) than bolt actions. So on an unstable platform I'd not expect them to be able to be shot as accurately as a bolt action of 'equal' accuracy.

Used to use a mini 30 with a red dot on Sika,wish I never sold it.

Talk about throwback Thursday @Cordite, revitalizing an old thread ;-)

And to answer your question: AR's dominate with off hand shooting. Fast follow up shots and no breaking cheek weld/position after each shot too and marginally less recoil compared to a bolt action - 308 vs .308, also the vertical grip and plethora of fore-end options make them easy to customize to one's preference as opposed to a more traditional bolt-action stock.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Talk about throwback Thursday @Cordite, revitalizing an old thread ;-)

And to answer your question: AR's dominate with off hand shooting. Fast follow up shots and no breaking cheek weld/position after each shot too and marginally less recoil compared to a bolt action - 308 vs .308, also the vertical grip and plethora of fore-end options make them easy to customize to one's preference as opposed to a more traditional bolt-action stock.

Hi Sasquatch,

Yes, agree. But fast follow-ups is different from first shot accuracy.

As I said, the known 'bolt action accuracy' of the AR refers to supported shooting, but unsupported, all other things being equal, longer lock-time will naturally result in lower accuracy. Go to many shooting ranges and it does not matter however, what with many shooting off bipods, sandbags, or both.

All that said, some AR triggers have a shorter lock time than stock triggers (16ms) so you can't totally generalise. Better AR triggers for example appear to have a shorter lock-time (6ms) than say a SMLE bolt action (~10ms) - sluggish lock-time for a bolt action.

Cordite
The best bolt action will beat the best semi as far as accuracy goes, I once owned a mini 14 that shot dinner plate groups at 100m. i sent it away for a med weight re barrel and was told it will produce bolt action accuracy which it did and managed 1inch groups at best at 100m which was acceptable and apart from the extra weight it was fun too shoot. Once i got into ARs they easily produced less than 1 inch groups with the right load, but still couldn't beat my re barreled remington bolt action for accuracy but it was close.

Originally Posted by foxhound

Cordite
The best bolt action will beat the best semi as far as accuracy goes, I once owned a mini 14 that shot dinner plate groups at 100m. i sent it away for a med weight re barrel and was told it will produce bolt action accuracy which it did and managed 1inch groups at best at 100m which was acceptable and apart from the extra weight it was fun too shoot. Once i got into ARs they easily produced less than 1 inch groups with the right load, but still couldn't beat my re barreled remington bolt action for accuracy but it was close.

<1 inch at 100m sounds like shooting off something. I was talking of unsupported shooting where short lock time becomes more critical. It is not a minute-of-deer issue though.

Anyway, came across this when looking for a backpack rifle. Interesting folding design that appears to meeting A-cat requirements of length, unable to be fired folded when it's some 26" long so won't be measured folded by customs. Looks something between a french MAS 38 SMG and a prototype CETME. I'm amazed at the enginuity [spelling?], including the CETME-like forend-come-bipod.