Thread: New range laws and shooting on unregistered ranges

So you are saying I cannot go down the back of the sister in laws farm( I live on the farm and do pest control ) , with the brother in law and his mate and blast some clays , preparing for duck shooting...... ?
Or
Put my target gong up and shoot it from 100 yards to sight in for deer hunting and familiarizing myself with my 303 and 308 ?
What utter fucking shit.

Originally Posted by Jusepy

So you are saying I cannot go down the back of the sister in laws farm( I live on the farm and do pest control ) , with the brother in law and his mate and blast some clays , preparing for duck shooting...... ?
Or
Put my target gong up and shoot it from 100 yards to sight in for deer hunting and familiarizing myself with my 303 and 308 ?
What utter fucking shit.

no..you can still do this.....its informal ,not charged for...and just how we do things....
how is the ol 303 going anyway???

Hey Micky Duck ,
Honestly , the 303 has stayed in the gun cabinet . I have not fired it since I have had it apart.
I will hold off until after duck shooting , as the brother in laws pond is on the farm and he is pretty anal about me hunting or firing loud guns at this time of year.

I am looking forward to shooting up some paper and seeing how it is grouping now.

Originally Posted by Jusepy

So you are saying I cannot go down the back of the sister in laws farm( I live on the farm and do pest control ) , with the brother in law and his mate and blast some clays , preparing for duck shooting...... ?
Or
Put my target gong up and shoot it from 100 yards to sight in for deer hunting and familiarizing myself with my 303 and 308 ?
What utter fucking shit.

The way you have worded it here would meet the current Police definition of "ad hoc" and would not need certification.

https://www.police.govt.nz/advice-se...o-clubs-ranges

Originally Posted by Krameranzac

https://www.police.govt.nz/advice-se...o-clubs-ranges

Was there any issues or problems with the existing ranges and or the way they were run?

Or is this just a new law because ‘somebody’ thought we needed one ?

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

Was there any issues or problems with the existing ranges and or the way they were run?

Or is this just a new law because ‘somebody’ thought we needed one ?

This, someone had to appear to fix a problem that was not there to cover up their cock up which resulted in a lot of people getting hurt and worse.

Thanks for posting this @Krameranzac... I admit I had done none of my own research on this.

Sorry if I'm going over old ground here, and I get people's caution/healthy cynicism on real-life interpretation, but the wording is actually pretty clear.

Taking Jusepy's example of blasting some clays or sighting in on a family/friends farm, which will hopefully apply to me very soon:

While you are undertaking shooting activities ("using a firearm... for the purpose of shooting at inanimate targets..."), you are not doing it as part of a shooting club, or as a member of public, or on an area of designated land used... for the primary purpose of shooting at inanimate targets.

Does anyone else read/interpret that differently?


Section 38, Parts 6 and 7 (https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/...LMS256768.html)
shooting activities—
(a)
means activities that are carried out using a firearm or an airgun for the purpose of shooting at inanimate targets (whether fixed or moving); but
(b)
excludes—
(i)
paintball shooting; and
(ii)
airsoft shooting
shooting club means a voluntary association of people who—
(a)
act in accordance with a set of written rules; and
(b)
participate in, or intend to participate in, shooting activities on a regular basis
shooting range—
(a)
means a facility (whether indoor or outdoor), or a designated area of land, used by a shooting club or members of the public for the primary purpose of carrying out shooting activities; and
(b)
includes any defence area (as that term is defined in section 2(1) of the Defence Act 1990) used by a shooting club.

Originally Posted by yeah_na_missed

means a facility (whether indoor or outdoor), or a designated area of land, used by a shooting club or members of the public for the primary purpose of carrying out shooting activities;

@yeah_na_missed,
I think the Police interpretation is based upon that there is a comma after the word "land" and the fact there is not one after the word "public".

So by their interpretation "used by a shooting club or members of the public for the primary purpose of carrying out shooting activities" has nothing to do with the primary land use - it has to do with for what primary purpose do "a shooting club or members of the public" use the land for. If they use the land for shooting then Police will considered it a range.

Originally Posted by Gillie

@yeah_na_missed,
I think the Police interpretation is based upon that there is a comma after the word "land" and the fact there is not one after the word "public".

So by their interpretation "used by a shooting club or members of the public for the primary purpose of carrying out shooting activities" has nothing to do with the primary land use - it has to do with for what primary purpose do "a shooting club or members of the public" use the land for.

Primarily use it for a BBQ and secondarily use it for sighting in, understood.

Don't forget to read other sections of the new proposals and provide feedback. Some of the wording in section 3.2.2 around those under 16 years old for example. Their recommendation is to completely stop those under 16 shooting on a range. Other option is they can shoot but not compete. Then if you can and read the question they ask that aligns with this, its wording can be interpreted that only children of Licences are eligible.

There are some very poorly worded pieces in these regulations.

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They aren't regulations yet and if we don't all get stuck in and point out the errors, unworkable suggestions and proposals that far out step what the act requires we are all buggered, club member or not.

Police Range Manual. This is what Police/Inspectors are using to assess ranges. There are very few who will pass muster without major works involved. Expect ranges to close wholesale. To the Shotgun/Clay Target Clubs, I hate to say it but "We told you so" when you threw all those nasty guns/owners under the bus. Welcome to the real world, I truly hope you survive. Many will not. To the small volunteer Clubs with no funding I feel for you all but the agenda is there for all to see now.

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...anual-2022.pdf

Vote act in 2023

I see in the section headed"fees", there is provision for a $500 fee for 'one off use, clay target' or similar.
My family run a yearly shoot on a family members farm, ourselves, our grown children, girlfriends, few friends sort of thing.
Is this daily fee there for us?
We shoot on one day on a clear flat piece of land,