Thread: NZDA requires FAL number

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

Very hard to police DoC land I’m afraid.

...even so, @grandpamac is right: your rifle, your license, your choice.

Originally Posted by Nickoli

...even so, @grandpamac is right: your rifle, your license, your choice.

If I want to use the range I have no problem with paying $20, it’s a fantastic Rifle range. But I’m sure there will be a lot that won’t.

Out of curiosity I had a look through my hunting permit and couldn’t find anywhere that says you can’t sight your rifle in, as long as you’re not at a road end or near a hut or endangering people or property. No different to shooting at a deer really.

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

Very hard to police DoC land I’m afraid.

Greetings,
This may be true but remember that the Christchurch murderer belonged to a small group of people that used to shoot on an unofficial range in the pines. The law requiring clubs and ranges to be approved was to counter this and was passed in Parliament by most parties including National. It is not DoC but the Police that will be conducting any enforcement. I don't know how vigilant they will be and don't intend to find out. The non shooting public is not stupid and know the law so the chances of being reported are higher than you would expect.
There is a thing called a Risk Matrix which develops a risk rating based on the likelihood of an event occurring and the consequences of the event. The likelihood of being caught may be low but the consequences could be high, so a moderate risk. I belong to one of the NZDA branches in Hawkes Bay which does not have a range. There is another local 100 metre range that I used which is probably now closed. There is also a dedicated 300, 600 and 1000 yard full bore range that I shoot on and I have a casual sighting in range at home which I use sparingly. Outside that I drive to the Jack Dillon Range (Taupo NZDA) where I am a member. The round trip is a little over 300 km. I realise you may be being hypothetical but just in case please go along to Taupo NZDA and join up. They will welcome you and introduce you to 4 position shooting, metallic silhouette and running boar. The last of those is on this Sunday 10:00AM.
Regards Grandpamac.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings,
This may be true but remember that the Christchurch murderer belonged to a small group of people that used to shoot on an unofficial range in the pines. The law requiring clubs and ranges to be approved was to counter this and was passed in Parliament by most parties including National. It is not DoC but the Police that will be conducting any enforcement. I don't know how vigilant they will be and don't intend to find out. The non shooting public is not stupid and know the law so the chances of being reported are higher than you would expect.
There is a thing called a Risk Matrix which develops a risk rating based on the likelihood of an event occurring and the consequences of the event. The likelihood of being caught may be low but the consequences could be high, so a moderate risk. I belong to one of the NZDA branches in Hawkes Bay which does not have a range. There is another local 100 metre range that I used which is probably now closed. There is also a dedicated 300, 600 and 1000 yard full bore range that I shoot on and I have a casual sighting in range at home which I use sparingly. Outside that I drive to the Jack Dillon Range (Taupo NZDA) where I am a member. The round trip is a little over 300 km. I realise you may be being hypothetical but just in case please go along to Taupo NZDA and join up. They will welcome you and introduce you to 4 position shooting, metallic silhouette and running boar. The last of those is on this Sunday 10:00AM.
Regards Grandpamac.

Running boar! If it wasn't nearly a1000 k round trip I'd be in, must look at adding one at our local range. Should have considered it while doing the certification but it was hard enough as it is. Still there is goodfellows and the crafty trout to tempt an overnight stay

Been an NZDA member for a while and agree that bthe new CEO/ head hoohaa is a tonic that was needed

I had stopped paying full membership fees several years back as head office was wasteful and disorganised for a long time then came out to us at branch level with their hand out to fund a museum and all sorts

If the new broom keeps sweeping clean I may renew but will see


And yes i have given submissions to all of these stupid law changes that we are all working under now
and yes I have volunteered extensively at my local deertalkers range and donated time and materials to it

Be careful where you swing that virtue signalling label, boy

Just cos you've done some hard work it doesn't mean you are the only one

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

Very hard to police DoC land I’m afraid.

True, but why knowingly do something illegal ? These days , more than ever, it behoves we hunters to do the proper, responsible, and legal thing. We don't need society and the media continually demonising us because we flout the law. We should be striving to demonstrate a higher standard among the hunting / shooting community. You may very well decide to do your own thing on DOC or other lands, and may very well never be apprehended but I'm afraid you'll receive no sympathy from me if caught and dealt with harshly. I know under these new regs there will be both more cost and inconvenience involved but we can't change the events that caused this. What we have is a new reality and we have to live with it.
My 2c worth anyway.

Originally Posted by 30.06king

True, but why knowingly do something illegal ? These days , more than ever, it behoves we hunters to do the proper, responsible, and legal thing. We don't need society and the media continually demonising us because we flout the law. We should be striving to demonstrate a higher standard among the hunting / shooting community. You may very well decide to do your own thing on DOC or other lands, and may very well never be apprehended but I'm afraid you'll receive no sympathy from me if caught and dealt with harshly. I know under these new regs there will be both more cost and inconvenience involved but we can't change the events that caused this. What we have is a new reality and we have to live with it.
My 2c worth anyway.

Mate I’m not planning on sighting my rifle in on DoC land but can you point out where it’s actually illegal? No mention of it on my hunting permit which I thought would be the obvious place.

Originally Posted by Bush Basher

Very hard to police DoC land I’m afraid.

All it takes is a game camera that you don't see. Couple of years ago a couple of infrastructure workers decided harvesting deer on DOC land during work hours using the company branded vehicle was a good idea. After they found their photos on their management's desk of them with vehicle and branded work cloths, and their jobs gone, they might have rethought matters. Nor did they have DOC licenses.

Game cameras are cheap and you never know where they are deployed or by who. Bit like dashcams in motor vehicles. But hey, if folk want to play the odds...

Originally Posted by Jhon

All it takes is a game camera that you don't see. Couple of years ago a couple of infrastructure workers decided harvesting deer on DOC land during work hours using the company branded vehicle was a good idea. After they found their photos on their management's desk of them with vehicle and branded work cloths, and their jobs gone, they might have rethought matters. Nor did they have DOC licenses.

Game cameras are cheap and you never know where they are deployed or by who. Bit like dashcams in motor vehicles. But hey, if folk want to play the odds...

Would have to be a very well placed game camera to show someone shooting at a target. In reality it would never happen

Some of the attitudes on here are frankly frustrating for those volunteers, like myself, who put an extraordinary amount of effort into the NZDA branches.
I find it almost amusing that the opportunity to make submissions on these topics were available to you all, but some would rather sit here virtue signaling on the internet after the fact.
The NZDA advocated on many aspects of the reform, is a financial supporter of COLFO, and kept its membership up to date.

The reality is that the time for debate and discussion is over, the laws have changed and the NZDA and its branches will, of course, now comply with the law.

I sit here torn in engaging in this topic after the hours I and our branch have spent on the topic because the information you require is all again available to you on the Te Tari Pūreke website.
Should you feel so strongly, go find that information and give the NZDA a break.

Originally Posted by Cameron92

Some of the attitudes on here are frankly frustrating for those volunteers, like myself, who put an extraordinary amount of effort into the NZDA branches.
I find it almost amusing that the opportunity to make submissions on these topics were available to you all, but some would rather sit here virtue signaling on the internet after the fact.
The NZDA advocated on many aspects of the reform, is a financial supporter of COLFO, and kept its membership up to date.

The reality is that the time for debate and discussion is over, the laws have changed and the NZDA and its branches will, of course, now comply with the law.

I sit here torn in engaging in this topic after the hours I and our branch have spent on the topic because the information you require is all again available to you on the Te Tari Pūreke website.
Should you feel so strongly, go find that information and give the NZDA a break.

Now I sit here torn...what, pray tell is a Te Tari Pureke?

Originally Posted by outlander

Now I sit here torn...what, pray tell is a Te Tari Pureke?

Found it

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Originally Posted by outlander

Now I sit here torn...what, pray tell is a Te Tari Pureke?

You’re trying to take that on another tangent. It’s not about the name of it, that wasn’t the point.

Originally Posted by Cameron92

You’re trying to take that on another tangent. It’s not about the name of it, that wasn’t the point.

Thank you for the comprehensive appraisal on the inner workings of my mind. Not many accomplish that.

Originally Posted by Cameron92

Some of the attitudes on here are frankly frustrating for those volunteers, like myself, who put an extraordinary amount of effort into the NZDA branches.
I find it almost amusing that the opportunity to make submissions on these topics were available to you all, but some would rather sit here virtue signaling on the internet after the fact.

How do you know
a) that we don't also volunteer our time with the NZDA
b) what submissions any of us did or did not make

Seems like you're making a lot of assumptions.