Thread: NZDA requires FAL number

Originally Posted by omark

Sorry but that’s not true. They do far more advocacy for shooters than any group that represents shooters. Their office is located across from parliament for a reason

Maybe you are confusing them with PNZ?

Maybe my perception is wrong.

Did they advocate against the the mass confiscation in 2019?

What about FAL applicants being punished for the police’s mistakes vetting the CHCH murderer by making the process significantly more long winded and difficult?

What about the firearms register?

Originally Posted by Fatberg

Maybe my perception is wrong.

Did they advocate against the the mass confiscation in 2019?

What about FAL applicants being punished for the police’s mistakes vetting the CHCH murderer by making the process significantly more long winded and difficult?

What about the firearms register?

Goodness me

https://www.deerstalkers.org.nz/reso...cacy-overview/

Originally Posted by Fatberg

Maybe my perception is wrong.

Did they advocate against the the mass confiscation in 2019?

What about FAL applicants being punished for the police’s mistakes vetting the CHCH murderer by making the process significantly more long winded and difficult?

What about the firearms register?

Join. Find out. Participate. Make them stronger. Put your energy into something positive.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Join. Find out. Participate. Make them stronger. Put your energy into something positive.

I am a member. Hence my comments.

Cheers for the snarky reply, perhaps you could contribute something positive to the conversation yourself then.

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Goodness me

https://www.deerstalkers.org.nz/reso...cacy-overview/

Goodness me. This link proves what? A bit of lip service skirting around the edges at best.

Originally Posted by Fatberg

I am a member. Hence my comments.

Cheers for the snarky reply, perhaps you could contribute something positive to the conversation yourself then.

Then you ought to know these things.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Then you ought to know these things.

My observation is that they are afraid of rocking the boat too much, that their focus is on complying with every new bit of regulation that gets dreamed up, and that if they actually oppose anything it's completely ineffective.

I'm happy to be proved wrong if it's my perception that is off.

Originally Posted by omark

Sorry but that’s not true. They do far more advocacy for shooters than any group that represents shooters. Their office is located across from parliament for a reason

Maybe you are confusing them with PNZ?

I would tend to disagree with the above statement. They were notably quiet in the aftermath of Ch-Ch where as COLFO and SSNZ were onto it straight away. NZDA make a bit of noise then quietly stand back and watch what happens. I am a member of all three organisations, NZDA the shortest time. I only joined them as a requirement of forest companies for public liability insurance, even though my personal insurance gives better more comprehensive cover. But that’s another subject. Everyone should be a member of at least one of the organisations mentioned. NZDA by default gives affiliation to COLFO.

Originally Posted by omark

Sorry but that’s not true. They do far more advocacy for shooters than any group that represents shooters. Their office is located across from parliament for a reason

Maybe you are confusing them with PNZ?

I would tend to disagree with the above statement. They were notably quiet in the aftermath of Ch-Ch where as COLFO and SSANZ were onto it straight away. NZDA make a bit of noise then quietly stand back and watch what happens. I am a member of all three organisations, NZDA the shortest time. I only joined them as a requirement of forest companies for public liability insurance, even though my personal insurance gives better more comprehensive cover. But that’s another subject. Everyone should be a member of at least one of the organisations mentioned. NZDA by default gives affiliation to COLFO.

Greetings All,
We certainly do live in an age of outrage. Is this not the same info we have been willingly providing when we purchase firearms and ammo for years? Get a life people.
GPM.

Originally Posted by Fatberg

My observation is that they are afraid of rocking the boat too much, that their focus is on complying with every new bit of regulation that gets dreamed up, and that if they actually oppose anything it's completely ineffective.

I'm happy to be proved wrong if it's my perception that is off.

If you are ever in Wellington go and meet them at National office. You will find that the CEO is a very highly qualified and respected lawyer. Could by earning many times more than what he is for nzda but is doing this because he loves our sport. They are well resourced with research assistance and are constantly lobbying for and defending our sport. There is a fabulous museum and display of heads there too. The whole thing is professional and forward looking. The one thing lacking is us 100% supporting them. And it wont happen if people keep pulling them down.

Maybe they need to look at ways to better communicate what they do.

Originally Posted by Tahr

If you are ever in Wellington go and meet them at National office. You will find that the CEO is a very highly qualified and respected lawyer. Could by earning many times more than what he is for nzda but is doing this because he loves our sport. They are well resourced with research assistance and are constantly lobbying for and defending our sport. There is a fabulous museum and display of heads there too. The whole thing is professional and forward looking. The one thing lacking is us 100% supporting them. And it wont happen if people keep pulling them down.

Maybe they need to look at ways to better communicate what they do.

Next time I'm there I will go for a look. I don't dispute their good intentions.
I do support the NZDA by paying whatever the membership is each year, going to the club night each month and talking to newbies to try make them feel welcome, going on party hunts etc.
On a personal level I really like the guys who run my local club. Highlighting some of the issues I see doesn't mean I don't support the NZDA.

I'm reminded of Billy Goats who seem to like butting heads for the pleasure of butting heads. Hell if I have to hand my license over to Hunting & Fishing or G.C..anytime I buy something significant I'm certainly going to let NZDA have it when they ask and without examining the dust under the bed with a microscope in case there's something bad there.

Sent it in this morning. On with the day....

NZCTA collect the same info but the club I'm affiliated through doesn't as it's held nationality they have no need.

Got the NZDA email too. Been a member for years. I believe NZDA when they say new regs compel them to hold members FAL info. They say it's to do with the fact that NZDA is now a registered rifle range under the new laws. I'll be sending my info in.
I recently joined the Tokoroa Shooting Complex and they recorded my FAL number as well, as they must under new regs.
I don't have any problem with it.