Thread: NZDA requires FAL number

As our branch Sec advised, the new range rules require a shooting club to keep a copy of the FAL number for each member.
I have given my number to my branch sec, as he has advised he won't upload to a national database.
If the NZDA don't have the security that the new police run registration has, why should I have it on an NZDA database.

Only a Fudd would label someone "boy".

Originally Posted by Tentman

Only a Fudd would label someone "boy".

Coming from someone with a shed full of Ryobi / Ozito and a pair of dress crocs

Does your Mrs still shop in her pyjamas?

Originally Posted by 308

Coming from someone with a shed full of Ryobi / Ozito and a pair of dress crocs

Does your Mrs still shop in her pyjamas?

Up until seeing this, I was starting to worry this thread was getting a bit touchy.

Well well, I hope nobody in Hawkes Bay is jumping up and down, or even surprised by NZDA requiring their FL license details.
Because to use the well developed 100yd rifle range and neighboring 400 yd rifle range here in HB, administered and maintained by volunteers, you must hand over your FL details before you receive the key. Been that way for a while now, and no users complain about having to do that, so nothing new there and everyone's happy.
Amazingly though, that still doesn't deter a certain element from using the bench rests as backstops for their Targets unfortunately. So a damage report sheet for every user to fill in is being considered. And that's a can of worms for all involved.

Well let's arrange a demo. We'll need a volunteer to be the shooter and invite old mate plod and someone from DOC to observe. Just for good measure maybe some trampers or the like can go for a walk in the same area. Our Volly will have to pay lawyers fees when up before the judge while everyone determines if it's legal or not (which based on the terms of the permits as already mentioned is unlikely) - if he/she loses I supose they could sell their firearms to recuperate some of their costs, they won't need them cause they'll no longer be a fit and proper person (to have a FAL)

Originally Posted by Tentman

Well let's arrange a demo. We'll need a volunteer to be the shooter and invite old mate plod and someone from DOC to observe. Just for good measure maybe some trampers or the like can go for a walk in the same area. Our Volly will have to pay lawyers fees when up before the judge while everyone determines if it's legal or not (which based on the terms of the permits as already mentioned is unlikely) - if he/she loses I supose they could sell their firearms to recuperate some of their costs, they won't need them cause they'll no longer be a fit and proper person (to have a FAL)

So is it illegal? No one seems to be able to answer if it is or isn't.....and have proof of the legislation or law stating either way

As for plod and Doc....never seen them out where I hunt....together or separately

Hamish

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Originally Posted by HNTMAD

So is it illegal? No one seems to be able to answer if it is or isn't.....and have proof of the legislation or law stating either way

As for plod and Doc....never seen them out where I hunt....together or separately

Hamish

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Greetings All,
IT IS ILLEGAL. Comprehension does not seem to be strong today. As I stated in an earlier post Your permit allows you to enter with a rifle, hunt and kill game with some exceptions. It does allow you to sight in a rifle. The Range Manual give the conditions for casual sighting in not on a range first of which is the permission of the landowner for the activity which a hunting permit does not provide.
Please read this carefully and regards GPM.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
IT IS ILLEGAL. Comprehension does not seem to be strong today. As I stated in an earlier post Your permit allows you to enter with a rifle, hunt and kill game with some exceptions. It does allow you to sight in a rifle. The Range Manual give the conditions for casual sighting in not on a range first of which is the permission of the landowner for the activity which a hunting permit does not provide.
Please read this carefully and regards GPM.

Might be a good idea for DoC to state it on the permit then, seems to be a bit of a grey area. As for the police policing it, you hardly see a cop on the roads these days, let alone in the bush

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
IT IS ILLEGAL. Comprehension does not seem to be strong today. As I stated in an earlier post Your permit allows you to enter with a rifle, hunt and kill game with some exceptions. It does allow you to sight in a rifle. The Range Manual give the conditions for casual sighting in not on a range first of which is the permission of the landowner for the activity which a hunting permit does not provide.
Please read this carefully and regards GPM.

Greetings All,
It was getting late and I see that I omitted a small but important word in this post. To be clear a hunting permit does NOT allow you to sight in on DoC land. Public Land is a phrase that has been imported from the US recently. Formerly it would have been called Crown Land. Effectively this is held and administered by the NZ Government so for practical purposes the Government owns the land administered by DoC. Look up the DoC Management Plan for the land you are interested in.
GPM.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
It was getting late and I see that I omitted a small but important word in this post. To be clear a hunting permit does NOT allow you to sight in on DoC land. Public Land is a phrase that has been imported from the US recently. Formerly it would have been called Crown Land. Effectively this is held and administered by the NZ Government so for practical purposes the Government owns the land administered by DoC. Look up the DoC Management Plan for the land you are interested in.
GPM.

For ease of all of us and not wanting to crash the permits system....can you please post the portion that states you are NOT allowed to sight in on DoC land.

That would be helpful

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Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings All,
IT IS ILLEGAL. Comprehension does not seem to be strong today. As I stated in an earlier post Your permit allows you to enter with a rifle, hunt and kill game with some exceptions. It does allow you to sight in a rifle. The Range Manual give the conditions for casual sighting in not on a range first of which is the permission of the landowner for the activity which a hunting permit does not provide.
Please read this carefully and regards GPM.

Former DOC conservator, Canty attended our NZDA branch meeting and advised it is illegal to be using public land with a Doc Permit, for purposes of sighting in a rifle. Of course in the process of hunting that you dropped the rifle and needed to check its sighting, it would not be a big deal, but turning up on public land with a bunch of targets, and ammo specifically to use it as a range would be considered illegal and he said they would prosecute. This was in response to all the muppets banging away at targets behing lake lyndon.

Now kiddies - play nice.

A hunting permit shouldn't have anything to do with it. Public conservation land would be the same as any other public place.

Unless it's a doc rule specific to firing a rifle when not hunting, which it doesn't appear to be, then this will be the relevant law:

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/.../DLM72991.html

This touches on it. Carrying a firearm.

https://www.herengaanuku.govt.nz/kno...i-carry-a-gun/

Just don't endanger, annoy, or frighten any one.

Originally Posted by Hahn

A hunting permit shouldn't have anything to do with it. Public conservation land would be the same as any other public place.

Unless it's a doc rule specific to firing a rifle when not hunting, which it doesn't appear to be, then this will be the relevant law:

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/.../DLM72991.html

This touches on it. Carrying a firearm.

https://www.herengaanuku.govt.nz/kno...i-carry-a-gun/

Just don't endanger, annoy, or frighten any one.

Did you read the first line of the page link you posted? - the one about the Arms Act . . . Now read what GPM quoted from the Arms Act re land owner permission. Now tell me you are not committing an offense under the Arms Act. I agree the chances of getting caught are slim, but it's one cock up and there goes you FAL.